Big dogs and thick brush myth

[joshg223]

I have enjoyed my time here on the forum but I think my time is about up.      The reasons I have been on here have  evidently been full filled.   I still had some things I would have liked to have shared but I'm being directed to use the time I spend on here to review and study in preparation for things to come in my life.
    Just cause I'm leaving this forum ( for how long I don't know) doesn't mean I'm slacking off on pig dogging itself.   Actually I forsee a lot more of it and am getting more work in some really good places.
       I sure don't mind talking dogs on a personal level to individuals via texting or phone calls that are curious about my type dogs or my style of hunting  but I'm not gonna be coming on here anytime soon to do it  but hopefully later in the future.       
   To those who visit this forum in the future  and go back looking in the archives scratching for information on finder holder type dogs or stags, your very welcome to reach me at 940-634-0811, if you would like to visit  with me eventhough I probably will not be an active member of the forum.       Happy hunting.
              in closing I'd like to leave yall with this.      If you believe what others say about you or are negatively influenced by them, then what you can accomplish and who you can be, will be limited by others.

Well be careful not to fall off that high horse your riding.


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[parker49]

  black if somebody happens to catch you talking dogs  to yourself in a dark closet tell them to mind there  own business      I do .....

[Scott]

You see, the thing about "teaching" is you have to know your "students"....there are some folks commenting on this thread that have used dogs on livestock and in the woods longer than most of the others have been alive.. Personally, I reckon they know a thing or two that maybe the "teacher" don't.

It would be prudent for all to choose their "teachers" wisely....

     You mean like the guy who said speed was mental lol
  Cow dogs and other livestock dogs are not the same subject matter as the hunting and catch dogs I'm speaking of.    I think you have your teacher and classrooms confused.      Not very effective to have an algebra teacher teaching history would you say?   Kinda the hole point I'm making about how different the styles are and dogs are.    Just not the same course my friend.    For example, just because I know what I do about finder holders and stags, doesn't give me expert knowledge on hounds.       Different course requires different teacher.   Simple really and again common sense.

Well, my common sense tells me that big o and many like him have most likely been working dogs for longer than you have been alive. He's seen big dogs, leggy dogs, short dogs, small dogs, hounds, curs, bulldogs, etc. And more than likely the vast majority of crosses that are/were being done. You sir, may be an expert on your dogs and style of hunting, but when comes to choosing a teacher on dogs working and hunting livestock would it be prudent to choose a teacher that's lived it for 40-50 years or one that has for 10-20 years?

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Your common sense tells you what makes a teacher better than another is years spent doing it?    Jesus was younger than me when he was crucified.    Do you think others are better teachers that preach the same message because they are older than He was and as a result been living it longer than He did?           

I keep learning every day. Today I've learned that you are offering a comparison between yourself and Jesus Christ as a teacher. Drawing from your comparison, one can only conclude that you believe you are omnipotent when it comes to working dogs. Common sense tells me you are most likely full of number 2.

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[l.h.cracker]

You see, the thing about "teaching" is you have to know your "students"....there are some folks commenting on this thread that have used dogs on livestock and in the woods longer than most of the others have been alive.. Personally, I reckon they know a thing or two that maybe the "teacher" don't.

It would be prudent for all to choose their "teachers" wisely....

     You mean like the guy who said speed was mental lol
  Cow dogs and other livestock dogs are not the same subject matter as the hunting and catch dogs I'm speaking of.    I think you have your teacher and classrooms confused.      Not very effective to have an algebra teacher teaching history would you say?   Kinda the hole point I'm making about how different the styles are and dogs are.    Just not the same course my friend.    For example, just because I know what I do about finder holders and stags, doesn't give me expert knowledge on hounds.       Different course requires different teacher.   Simple really and again common sense.

Well, my common sense tells me that big o and many like him have most likely been working dogs for longer than you have been alive. He's seen big dogs, leggy dogs, short dogs, small dogs, hounds, curs, bulldogs, etc. And more than likely the vast majority of crosses that are/were being done. You sir, may be an expert on your dogs and style of hunting, but when comes to choosing a teacher on dogs working and hunting livestock would it be prudent to choose a teacher that's lived it for 40-50 years or one that has for 10-20 years?

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Your common sense tells you what makes a teacher better than another is years spent doing it?    Jesus was younger than me when he was crucified.    Do you think others are better teachers that preach the same message because they are older than He was and as a result been living it longer than He did?           

Wow ! never thought that talking dogs would come to this.Wow is all I can say!

[justincorbell]

GOOD, BYE!

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[Reuben]

"Big dogs and thick brush myth"...I have been told by more than a few dog men that the best dogs to work all day and every day are less than fifty pounds...they eat less, they can maneuver better in the thick brush and are generally more agile in tight quarters and hold up better in the heat...I agree with the logic...I personally like dogs a certain size and anything past that I would cull...now I am more lenient on account I am not focused on purifying and improving on a bloodline...my main interest is in having and retaining decent dogs at this late in the game...cost too much money to do it how I bred my dogs at one time...

I like a certain size dog...I have said it many times on here...I use football players as the example for the dogs I try to breed for or acquire...

They would be the middle linebacker of the football team...not the biggest but big...not the strongest but strong...not the fastest but fast...when they hit you...you know you've been hit...

I've been told by a bunch of dogmen that your as fool of crap as a septic tank.     I have high suspect you haven't caught 5 pigs in the past 5 years less you have tagged along with someone else.       
There are all kinds of dogmen.   pit guys, border collie guys, greyhound men, bird dog men, lab guys, finder holder guys, cur bay dog guys etc.         Just cause I say I know some good dog men doesn't men they are qualified to be used as references on certain breeds or styles.
 Just because you can say you know a dog man or two doesn't automatically make them qualified to speak on certain things.      I strongly suspected you fudge the truth a little but I think you do this unintentionally and are unaware

you speak as if your dogs can do it all...you did have a weak moment and said a few things that were somewhat negative about your dogs...I will say this before you leave...I haven't been around your dogs but I can tell you how your dogs work probably as well as you can without me ever seeing them hunt...they do serve a good purpose in the right conditions...but your dogs in the thick briars around these parts will have a low percentage of caught hogs...the reason is that most hogs will be very close to thick cover...yep...they will get lucky now and then...take one by surprise...and if the hog runs to the thick briars they will run it for a little while...and if the hog is dog smart it will not stop and the dogs will never catch it because they are not track dogs...they will give it up shortly and they might mill around and wander off and like a blind squirrel they can sometimes stumble across a pecan now and then...and with that one instance your dogs are free casting/hog trailing machines...and as far as winding I do believe that they do...but in the thick woods where there is now wing they can not wind a hog unless they about stumble on one...

and your bloodline...how many calls to you go through to get good dogs...and having to find out after 2 years if your 110 pound dogs will work is tough to deal with...but of course the trainer that you are...there won't be any culls...

Like I told you before...you are unique...it is a good thing there aren't many like you...there is a reason for that if you believe in evolution...

you seem to attack anyone who has their own ideas/opinions and theories...you like weak minded individuals that just might listen and look up to you...

if I were only in it to for hog numbers I would consider finding 2 large catch dogs with decent speed and one top of the line cur dog with stock dog sense and free cast/rig or road him...when he went the range boundary I would implement I would tone him back whether he was running a track or a hog...that I am sure would work but for me it is not about numbers...it is about a certain type of dog that hunts/bays/stops a hog how I like...that is a challenge...

yep...go ahead and keep mouthing off as you always do...more and more folks are starting to figure you out what I already know about you...

[chads7376]

I didn't say your dogs could not get through swamps, I said they would be no faster than mine in the swamps. Your dogs would be hard pressed to outrun him on open flat ground. You started all this mess by implying that if we could not catch hogs in the open, we could not catch them in the woods. It's easy to catch them in the open, if you have fast dogs and most good bred stock dogs are very fast. A wild hogs top speed is around 28 to 30 mph. A young crossbred heifer can run that fast or faster and these dogs blow by them and stop them from running off all the time. You may have good dogs but lots of other people do to. They can catch just as many as you do, in the open or in the brush. We just like dogs that are not one dimensional. We can catch hogs, pen the hogs, pen the cows, hunt other game and they guard the place and livestock from two legged and four legged varmints when they are laying around the house and lots of them can jump over the side of the truck.

A dog has to be going 38 or faster to catch a running pig in open stags top out at around 40-43 if you cur can run that fast put some type of catch dog in that line and use it as a fast catch dog that way if a pig brakes he can just run it down and I am being serious 

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I personally have never seen a pig outrun my cur dogs in an open field. The dogs always catch up with them. No, they don't physically catch them but they always catch up with them. I don't think my curs are exceptionally fast as my Stags can definitely outrun them. Maybe the pigs in my area are just slow??

[T-Bob Parker]

I didn't say your dogs could not get through swamps, I said they would be no faster than mine in the swamps. Your dogs would be hard pressed to outrun him on open flat ground. You started all this mess by implying that if we could not catch hogs in the open, we could not catch them in the woods. It's easy to catch them in the open, if you have fast dogs and most good bred stock dogs are very fast. A wild hogs top speed is around 28 to 30 mph. A young crossbred heifer can run that fast or faster and these dogs blow by them and stop them from running off all the time. You may have good dogs but lots of other people do to. They can catch just as many as you do, in the open or in the brush. We just like dogs that are not one dimensional. We can catch hogs, pen the hogs, pen the cows, hunt other game and they guard the place and livestock from two legged and four legged varmints when they are laying around the house and lots of them can jump over the side of the truck.

A dog has to be going 38 or faster to catch a running pig in open stags top out at around 40-43 if you cur can run that fast put some type of catch dog in that line and use it as a fast catch dog that way if a pig brakes he can just run it down and I am being serious 

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I personally have never seen a pig outrun my cur dogs in an open field. The dogs always catch up with them. No, they don't physically catch them but they always catch up with them. I don't think my curs are exceptionally fast as my Stags can definitely outrun them. Maybe the pigs in my area are just slow??

that must be it... the pigs are slow... 

[Fixitlouie]

What have I been missing! !!

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[Fixitlouie]

I just read through the post and have to say. Hahaha.  I went to public school so I didn't have a choice on teachers.  I did realize though I will have my choice  of who to learn from one day. And it's started with old dudes then dudes that just look old..If you meet the above required prerequisite then I'll listen.

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