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« on: December 27, 2016, 09:50:10 am » |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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tmatt
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2016, 01:37:01 pm » |
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The OP on that topic may be on to something with it being dog food related. However, he is misinformed on what propylene glycol is... It is not Antifreeze as he states it is in a later post. I would've tried to clarify that with the op on that board but I am not a member and do not have the time to become a member right now. I have had females that Have normal cycles and females that do not have normal cycles that have the same exact diet and pretty close to the same activity level. I think a lot of those issues are related to genetics. There are alot of folks that just breed the dogs to have a litter of pups and not to better the breed so they don't pay attention to issues like heat cycles and other health issues when they make a breeding. Just my $.02
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2016, 05:41:06 pm » |
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Good stuff to make you scratch your head over, one thing I read where a man stated he was going to be adding iodized salt to his kibble rations, an old preacher man that lives in my area told us of a remedy along time ago to get a gyp to cycle, he said to mix 1 tablespoon of salt with a ball of ground meat the size of a baseball for a week and feed her once a day, good friend of mine tried it and his female was cycling within a week afterwards I did it and my gyp didn't cycle but cycled about 2 months later, never tested it any farther to see if there was any merit to it or just coincidence...
One thing I have noticed is i raised a litter of pups this past summer and about 2 months ago started feeding a lot of deer meat, now the mother to these pups usually cycles once a year and this last heat cycle was the first time I've seen her in in about a year and a half, when I started feeding a lot of meat and was on a kibble that had vitamin and mineral supplements added the same female cycled less than 5 months after her last cycle, I believe a dogs diet has a lot to do with bodily system disorders...
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2016, 06:29:53 pm » |
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Goose...I agree with proper nutrition...
One of the guys contributing said that doc Roys vitamin supplement really helped to get his female cycling again...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2016, 10:42:31 pm » |
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I agree that nutrition is a vital part of reproduction. I also know that if there are genetic defects then no matter how good the nutrition is the dog will not be "right" whether that be in terms of cycling correctly, being able to breath well or whatever the case is. I have also heard numerous times that wheat germ oil will help "regulate" a bitch's cycle. I have not had any personal experience with that though.
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Goose87
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2016, 05:38:20 am » |
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Goose...I agree with proper nutrition...
One of the guys contributing said that doc Roys vitamin supplement really helped to get his female cycling again...
Could be something to that as well, while the female I mentioned above was whelping her pups I gave her fish oil pills and a k9 multivitamins I got from TSC everyday and like I said she hadn't cycled in close to 18 months that I'm aware of I could've missed it but my dads little rat terrier usually comes down to my place and let's me know, lol, he's like my own teaser bull... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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Reuben
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2016, 09:22:44 am » |
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one post talked about sugar beets...contains to much of one hormone...progesterone or something like that...I remember reading that on a dog food I was feeding...
TMatt...I agree with genetic disorders as sometimes the cause...to include to much inbreeding and poor selection...
years ago I was giving a quite a bit of Ivomec and I thought that was my problem...I cut back and the females started cycling but that is only a hunch...one data point does not count but I am careful about that just in case...
I was hoping others would contribute to this post just to see if anyone was seeing the same things...I can't say that I have had any issues with a dog food product causing these issues with my dogs...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2016, 08:11:22 pm » |
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I know we are talking dogs but there are numerous folks that use beet pulp in horse diets and it has no adverse affect on the way they cycle. I would think that if the level of progesterone in beet pulp is high enough to cause a problem in a dog then it would definitely cause a problem in horses as well. The folks feeding beet pulp to their horses tend use a fairly high percentage of it in their diets so I am not convinced that it can be linked to cycling issues.
A friend of mine swore when he used ivomec monthly that his females didn't cycle like they should. He used it every other month on his females that he was breeding and said he never had a problem. He raised APBTs for about 20 years or so and he did it that way for about 12 of those years. He also fed raw liver to all of his females once a week and he said it helped them cycle regularly as well. He had a few females that he bred at 10+ years of age and had nice litters out of them on a regular basis.
I think the bitches environment and stress level have a lot to do with a bitch's cycle as well. I have noticed that the dogs that tend to be nervous and shy seem to be less "regular" than the ones that are more laid back. On my yard it seems that the dogs that are "used" more and are in better shape seem to cycle on a regular basis, whether that be once every 12 months or once every 6 months. Each dog will have a "normal" for them.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2016, 08:40:30 pm » |
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A friend of mine swore when he used ivomec monthly that his females didn't cycle like they should. He used it every other month on his females that he was breeding and said he never had a problem. He raised APBTs for about 20 years or so and he did it that way for about 12 of those years. He also fed raw liver to all of his females once a week and he said it helped them cycle regularly as well. He had a few females that he bred at 10+ years of age and had nice litters out of them on a regular basis.
Once I swapped to every other month or 3 on the ivomec I did not have any more issues as well with my females...originally I was thinking to much inbreeding as a possibility but was not the issue... all my dogs have been kept on this schedule now for the last 15 years or so... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2016, 06:26:35 am » |
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The show time kibble that I feed has beet pulp as its source of fiber...
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2016, 08:53:20 am » |
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cut feed on a gyp til she gets alittle thin ....then pour the feed to her most animals come in on the mend ...... or use pg 600 .....
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