Helicopter...

[cantexduck]

Matt,
  Bump is talking about the state paying to fly over one of his spots..........It already happens. Thats life. I can live with it.

[matt_aggie04]

I know it is already happening, that is why I brought it up to Joe Reader on here that may not know about it and since it is brought up in several posts as an exspense to the land owner.  I think Rex has proved that he can catch a hog and there are plenty of hogs in his area with over 150 caught this year alone.  But if all a John Smith land owner had to do in say Hogville, TX was pick up the phone and call Bill the state copter pilot and they killed 2500 hogs off of hogwrekr6969's honey hole I bet he would come on here and bitch about it a little.

[TexasJ]

I know it is already happening, that is why I brought it up to Joe Reader on here that may not know about it and since it is brought up in several posts as an exspense to the land owner.  I think Rex has proved that he can catch a hog and there are plenty of hogs in his area with over 150 caught this year alone.  But if all a John Smith land owner had to do in say Hogville, TX was pick up the phone and call Bill the state copter pilot and they killed 2500 hogs off of hogwrekr6969's honey hole I bet he would come on here and bitch about it a little.

Justification to bitch because a higher measure of effectiveness was assurted to control hog populations resulting in less opportunity for hogdogger6969.  Sounds like the exact same bitch type attitude every rifle hunter has agianst hog doggers.  We get a taste of our own medicine.

[Wmwendler]

This is nothing new its ben going on atleast since I was a kid and I am 24 now.  I've known these services to lie about number just watch the videos on the internet they shoot about 6 times for 1 hog killed and about 80% of that is shoats.  

Silverton in the case of Matador ranch if they flew 30 days and lets be conservative at flying 4 hours a day at 300$/hour, which in its self is a conservative number I've heard as high as 512$/hour.  But thats 4 hours X 30 days = 120 flight hours x 300 dollars = 36,000$ dollars.

If you bump that to 5 hours a day at 400$/hour thats= 60,000$ dollars

I would have done it for 30 thousand dollars if it had taken me 3 months and every body could come out ahead I'll give you a tail and two ears for each hog I kill you can bet 100% about my honesty.  Then again if I was charging that much money I would probly lie too....or be out of a job.

Waylon

[Bump]

If all the places I hunt and surrounding properties were hunted and cost and resources were not an issue....I might have a different tune.

My situation and area may not apply to others and may not apply to other areas of the state.

I just hate to see too many negative and off the wall comments about how someone does population control.

I guess my point of view comes from having a little experience first hand...(not by any means a lot of experience) and from getting on the local bowhunting forum and trying to defend hog hunting to a bunch of non hunting educated weekend warriors who know the dogs ruin their hunting and run all the the deer off.

This thread reminds me of the same thing....being a die hard in one hunting field and discriminating against another in which the person has not seen or knowledge.

This is not directed to any of the previous posts or persons....just in general.

[Bump]

Matt....you are way off in your numbers...150 is only what I have found. My dogs kill and discard dozens of hogs each hunt.

The numbers are probably in the thousands.....

[BULLMASTER]

I am not offended by Mex's  post at all and I am sure he meant nothing by it when he called the guys queers,he was probably just blowing off a little steam.I havent seen the video but if they were acting like Mex said I am sure I would have called them something way worse than a queer.But after spending alot of time up north I do understand that  is probably the best way to handle the hog problem up there.Unless you have ever been in that part of the state you dont understand the number of hogs and the damage they do to these ranchers crops costing them big bucks.I cant speak for the whole northern part of the state but the area Paul lives in the hogs are totally out of control and us old hogdoggers couldnt put a dent in the population but I am sure going to give it shot in the near future.

[Bump]

And I also agree with Waylon...I dont think they kill near as many as claimed.

The guy in my area....they count how many shells they go through and that equals hogs.

[BULLMASTER]

Boy old Wendler had one hell of a good point.The numbers dont lie.

[Wmwendler]

Matt....you are way off in your numbers...150 is only what I have found. My dogs kill and discard dozens of hogs each hunt.

The numbers are probably in the thousands.....

Nobody said you have to find them to count them!!!!!

I'm not questioning thier right to practice hog controle from a helicopter or saying that its not a valid way of doing things.  They have as much right to be there as I do, as do the "weekend warriors".  I am all for a free market so to speak..... who ever has the best service should be awarded the right to practice it and thats the reason the weekend warriors get upset from time to time because 4 or 5 weekends a year to maybe kill one hog each time is not gonna get you a place to hunt on when dog hunters can and will do so much more.  But I am all for them having the right to hunt a hog with a bow or scoped rifle a few times a year if they can find a place to do it.  Back to helicopters... Every service I have known of or heard of has lied about numbers. Honesty is very important to me and I don't hesitate one moment to shine the light on dishonest people.  I'm not saying that they are all dishonest but 100% of the ones I've know of were.  Dead hogs dont go to heaven right away they stick around for days and weeks on end they rot and stink and leave skeletons behind...... the buzzards and coyotes can only each so many.  I've hunted behind helicopters many times and each time I look for and see some dead hogs but never even close to the ammount they claim.  Thats called lying folks and getting payed to do it and I'm all about bringing it up everytime the subject comes around.

Waylon

[matt_aggie04]

I know it is already happening, that is why I brought it up to Joe Reader on here that may not know about it and since it is brought up in several posts as an exspense to the land owner.  I think Rex has proved that he can catch a hog and there are plenty of hogs in his area with over 150 caught this year alone.  But if all a John Smith land owner had to do in say Hogville, TX was pick up the phone and call Bill the state copter pilot and they killed 2500 hogs off of hogwrekr6969's honey hole I bet he would come on here and bitch about it a little.

Justification to bitch because a higher measure of effectiveness was assurted to control hog populations resulting in less opportunity for hogdogger6969.  Sounds like the exact same bitch type attitude every rifle hunter has agianst hog doggers.  We get a taste of our own medicine.

I don't see it quite the same but I see where you are coming from...

[catchrcall]

the only time I have a big problem with the choppers is when they do something unsafe.  There's one video going around that shows them shooting a couple hogs while they are running down a gravel road, and in the ditch.  That isn't safe no matter where you do it from.   In fact I'm pretty sure it isn't even legal.

[Monteria]

I know it is already happening, that is why I brought it up to Joe Reader on here that may not know about it and since it is brought up in several posts as an exspense to the land owner.  I think Rex has proved that he can catch a hog and there are plenty of hogs in his area with over 150 caught this year alone.  But if all a John Smith land owner had to do in say Hogville, TX was pick up the phone and call Bill the state copter pilot and they killed 2500 hogs off of hogwrekr6969's honey hole I bet he would come on here and bitch about it a little.

Justification to bitch because a higher measure of effectiveness was assurted to control hog populations resulting in less opportunity for hogdogger6969.  Sounds like the exact same bitch type attitude every rifle hunter has agianst hog doggers.  We get a taste of our own medicine.

I don't see it quite the same but I see where you are coming from...

Take it from a hog doggin bow hunter who has shot from a chopper..... It is the exact same concern, roles reversed. Choppers effect us no more or less than we effect bow hunters. Yet, because we do not have the experience to understand the method, we are concerned about its impact on our sport. By far the most productive thing any of us could do is learn about other disciplines, accept each for what it is, and band together to protect ALL hunting/depredation control rights as a whole.

Steve

[dabutcher]

Take it from a hog doggin bow hunter who has shot from a chopper..... It is the exact same concern, roles reversed. Choppers effect us no more or less than we effect bow hunters. Yet, because we do not have the experience to understand the method, we are concerned about its impact on our sport. By far the most productive thing any of us could do is learn about other disciplines, accept each for what it is, and band together to protect ALL hunting/depredation control rights as a whole.

Steve

that's a nice dream Steve but it'll never happen.  It's the basic mentality of today's society in general.  you can go on any hunting based forum and see bashing against every other method except for the method they choose to employ.  Heck, you can find compound bowhunters griping about rifle hunters.  Then you get traditional guys shooting recurves and longbows bashing on the guys shooting compound bows.  then you get guys bashing on guys that shoot animals behind high fence, or bait etc.....  it'll never end because people always want to have something to bitch about instead of enjoying themselves.  There are enough animals to go around for everyone doesn't matter the species (except sheep, goats, and some bears of course) but there's still gonna be people pissed off because they some how feel it impacts THEIR hunt negatively.  If people would quit sitting around griping about what other methods hunter's are using outside of their chosen method and spend half as much time fighting against the anti-hunting organizations, we'd be a damn near unstoppable force.  BUT, it isn't that way which is why it was so easy for hogdogging to get kicked to the curb in Sam Houston National Forest.

i'm done preaching now.

[Circle C]

BUT, it isn't that way which is why it was so easy for hogdogging to get kicked to the curb in Sam Houston National Forest.

That is not the reason doggin got kicked to the curb

[sfboarbuster]

In Florida I was priveleged to run dogs on ranches east of Okeechobee Lake where few people have run dogs on the hogs.  The hogs were just standing in the pastures and would move off if your truck stopped in to what the cowboy with us called "brakes" (lines of brush, palmettos and cabbage palms).  We ran our dogs on these poor suckers and had 17 tied and moved into a trailer before noon.   The ranch owner hauled them to a sale barn in Miami.  That got old fast, great for training pups, but work.  I would rather go in where they have exhausted all other methods and there are only a few remnant hogs left and use trained dogs.  My experience is that many of the last few are the big "coyote" boars.  That is the real test of your knowledge and your dogs.  

Buddy Goatcher

What ranch were you hunting on?

[Monteria]

Take it from a hog doggin bow hunter who has shot from a chopper..... It is the exact same concern, roles reversed. Choppers effect us no more or less than we effect bow hunters. Yet, because we do not have the experience to understand the method, we are concerned about its impact on our sport. By far the most productive thing any of us could do is learn about other disciplines, accept each for what it is, and band together to protect ALL hunting/depredation control rights as a whole.

Steve

that's a nice dream Steve but it'll never happen.  It's the basic mentality of today's society in general.  you can go on any hunting based forum and see bashing against every other method except for the method they choose to employ.  Heck, you can find compound bowhunters griping about rifle hunters.  Then you get traditional guys shooting recurves and longbows bashing on the guys shooting compound bows.  then you get guys bashing on guys that shoot animals behind high fence, or bait etc.....  it'll never end because people always want to have something to bitch about instead of enjoying themselves.  There are enough animals to go around for everyone doesn't matter the species (except sheep, goats, and some bears of course) but there's still gonna be people pissed off because they some how feel it impacts THEIR hunt negatively.  If people would quit sitting around griping about what other methods hunter's are using outside of their chosen method and spend half as much time fighting against the anti-hunting organizations, we'd be a damn near unstoppable force.  BUT, it isn't that way which is why it was so easy for hogdogging to get kicked to the curb in Sam Houston National Forest.

i'm done preaching now.

Correct, it will never happen..... That is why I said "the most productive thing any of us could do". The rest of your post echos my point exactly!

Steve

[dabutcher]

BUT, it isn't that way which is why it was so easy for hogdogging to get kicked to the curb in Sam Houston National Forest.

That is not the reason doggin got kicked to the curb

so it wasn't because gun hunters were griping that hog dogs were chasing deer around the forest?? 

[Circle C]

nope

[Eric]

I could be wrong and I am not trying to be diagreable with you Eric but I am pretty sure I don't see the guys in helicopters as allies.  Maybe landowners can see them as such but everytime I hear about them they are coming in to save the day and fix what "we" could not. 
I agree that the title could probably be changed, as much as it pains me to to be PC it is not good to insinuate a persons sexual orientation based on their occupation....

I understand where you are coming from. There are people always coming by with their sales pitch to the people I hunt for also... wether its choppers or one out hunting. Those guys are no threat to me.. definatly not enough to resort to elementary name calling.