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« on: December 12, 2009, 04:55:52 pm » |
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I have two pups, a 9 month old and a 6 month old. I have had them both in a bay pen twice. Niether showed any interest the first time. The second time the younger pup had a little more confidence, she didnt bark at the hogs but at times she would look at them and follow as the other dogs ran them by. Both pups come from good hunting stock. The older pup's sister is baying hogs like crazy and is even catchy. Should I let them mature a little bit more then try them again. Both pups will bark thier a$$ off at anything at home. They got loose and bayed up a cat at the house. When should I call it quits on these pups and move on to another pup. Thanks.
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« Last Edit: December 12, 2009, 10:02:06 pm by southtexasff »
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2009, 05:08:04 pm » |
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First off I'm new to hogdogging so don't fake my advice to seriosly
but I would put the older sister dog with the pup with theost progress but
since you said the older 1 cathes on lil hogs I solid put the older dog
on the outside of the pen and the pup on the inside
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 05:10:52 pm » |
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put the older sister and both pups together and let the oldest get them going and then pull her out.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 05:11:58 pm » |
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If they bark at everything at the house or pens, where they feel dominant, tie the pig and take it to their quarters and see what they do with it there. I bet they will show alot more interest when it is in their territory. Give it a shot. I bet you'll be suprised what happens.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2009, 05:33:33 pm » |
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about 10 yrs ago i passed up buying a nice bmc pup at 9 mo old cause we took her to a guys bay pen and she was scared to death wouldnt even bark.
the next week i went hunting with her and some dogs she knew she hunted like an old dog and bayed like a champ , i tryed to buy her then and the guy changed his mind . needless to say she is his #1 dog now.
so if you are taking those pups to a strange place that might be the problem, like Fc said bring a hog to their home were they are comfordable and see what happens, dont give up on them just yet..
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southtexasff
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2009, 05:43:22 pm » |
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Thats what i was planning to do. I was gonna put a smaller hog in a round pen here at the house and see if they will show any interest. As far as putting the older one with her sister is they were split up at about 8 weeks old so they realy arent close. I am gonna let them bay with an older dog i have that the younger pup is penned up with. Hopefully she will follow his lead.
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BigAinaBuilt
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 06:24:41 pm » |
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As far as putting the older one with her sister is they were split up at about 8 weeks old so they realy arent close. I am gonna let them bay with an older dog i have that the younger pup is penned up with. Hopefully she will follow his lead.
That should work! Just someone to get them fired up and cworking and then can be removed once their attention is towards the hog. Good luck! I always love working with the puppies! |
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2009, 06:51:33 pm » |
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Hobble a hog out in a pasture, some dogs just wont do it in a pen.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2009, 07:26:22 pm » |
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Hobble a hog out in a pasture, some dogs just wont do it in a pen.
Don't judge any dog by what you see in a pen... see what they do in the woods.  |
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2009, 07:31:38 pm » |
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I've seen some dogs that wouldn't make a single attempt to bark at a pig in a pen, but when you let it out they get going like they knew what to do the whole time. I think some dogs just feel too closed in in a pen and are more worried about how to get out than they are about the pig. The worst thing you can do is let a pig hit a dog in a pen that is already scared of a pen. If you do, good luck getting them back in there. Sure bay contest are fun and exciting to watch, but if you think about it, most of these dogs were bred to work out in the pasture everyday of their lives. If you want a pen dog, go get a chihuahua or a dachshund. I guarentee you they'll bark in a pen  |
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2009, 07:50:35 pm » |
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If your set on trying them in a pen, then put a rough/catchy dog in with them. Once the pig starts squeeling they should get interested and join in. Has worked for me when I had aboup that showed little interest, just my 2cents. I've seen jammed up dogs climb out of a pen, but catch everything in the brush. Good luck.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2009, 08:32:00 pm » |
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I'm with Brushbuster. Most of the time, if the dog's got it that squeal will flip the switch.
I'll also agree that some dogs just won't work in a pen, but even if they won't go to work and bay you make that hog squeal and they should come running and show you that they have interest.
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2009, 09:16:49 pm » |
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i think a very important question has yet to be asked...what are you wanting to do with them...bay pen or woods dogs? if you are wanting them to be woods dogs i would just take them along with you when you go hunting and see what they do. if you are trying them for bay competition then i would keep exposing them to the pen with other dogs that are baying strong so they know what they are supposed to do.
my two i never put in a pen. from day one i just let them take them hunting with me. i give them the commands i want them to learn in the woods and when the other dogs bay and they bay also i praise them a ton. they catch on eventually. right now both my pups are hog finding son of a guns and will bay the hair of a hog(they haven't learned how to stop them consistantly..but this a whole nother can of worms). i would just give them some time and keep exposing them, maybe once a week, once every two weeks.
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southtexasff
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2009, 10:05:57 pm » |
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Just want them for the woods. I wanted to show them what a hog is that way if they get on one in the woods they will know what one is and what they need to do. I guess take them out as much as i can and still try the baypen.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2009, 01:19:44 am » |
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one of my best dogs will not bay a hog in a pen but u put him in the woods and he will find u one everytime and bay it till whenever . i got some pups i just started bout a month ago and only three of the five wood bay when i brought them to the pen then a week later i brought home a shoat from one of my hunts and the whole pack was hammering like old dogs .  buy the time they were done they caught the pig .like a couple others said put one on their turf |
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2009, 10:42:05 am » |
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Not trying to steal the thread, just wondering, taking the pups in the woods, have ya'll had any instances where when the young dogs bay with the older dogs that the hog singles out the younger dog and charges them. I only say that cuz in a pen I've had hogs see younger dogs working and trying to figure things out and they would single out that dog on more than one occassion. If that happens and the dog gets hurt, do you think it would cause the pup setback at all. Just want what ya'll think on this.
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