Thoms balck mouth curs out of Three Rivers , TX

[LAWLERSHOGWILDHUNTS]

I got a one year old from mr thoms. His name is Zane and he is the most beautiful bmc I've ever seen. He's my pride and joy. I've worked him since I got him at four months. He is original weatherford Ben blood. Mr thoms has gorgeous dogs and guarantees them to work. If I had had the money laying around I would get another one from him

[RTE]

Sound like it would be a safe bet to buy one from MR.Thoms.

[ancuegar]

i forgot to mention, my dog jefe, thinks he is a catch dog also.  the last 4 hogs he has been on got him staples.  he has no quit to him.

[TexasJ]

i forgot to mention, my dog jefe, thinks he is a catch dog also.  the last 4 hogs he has been on got him staples.  he has no quit to him.

Andy, Why don't you post a pic of Jefe...

[RTE]

That would be good to see some PIC'S of them Thoms YBMC.

[ancuegar]

im hunting him tonight.  ill try and get a pic of him tonight or tomorrow. he looks like other bmc's except with a pink nose and no mask.  ill see what i can do texasj.

[grittydog]

A couple of pics from Mr. Thoms kennels. These are the Dams and Sires to my dogs.

[TexasJ]

I'll tell ya'll something funny about when I was there with David.  We' were out back by his kennels and he reached in his pocket to handle his money.  I've been to his place twice now and both times he wasn't shy about pulling out his money clip and flashing the big bills.  The wind was blowing real bad that day and he had a rediculous amount of $100 bills on him.  He had a puppy on a leash the same time he was handeling that money and the puppy pulled and that money started flying everywhere.  LOL.  There's one thing I didn't do in that situation and that's help a man pick up his money.  I started stepping on the money to keep it from blowing around. [in this situation, I thought it was more polite not to pick up the money, that way there was never a doubt I handeled any of the money].  

I really think he is a man in this world that is "doing well" because of a consistant income from his dogs.  From what I understand, at least 2 of his 4 welping boxes have puppy's in them at any given time.

[Bryant]

That's a funny pic there, grittydog.  Funny because it looks like a "been there done that" type cowboy there with his dogs........until you notice the bluetooth phone dongle hanging on his ear.

How times have changed...

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I have some of the same dogs, good gritty bay dogs, only bad thing I can say is some start hunting pretty late.  He does sell 50+ dogs a year, but if they are good stock, they are good stock doesn't matter if he sells 100 a year..

[TexasJ]

TexasJ I remember him dropping all that money.  That was the day my friend and I were picking up the two I bought and got to meet you. Neither one is turning out very well for me.   One is right at a year old and the other is 8 mths.  Bark very little at a hog. None by themselves.  Gonna take my two back pretty soon.  

Really!  I'm really sorry to hear that.  I think the luck of the time you happened to go down there put you on the slim pickens of what was left from his current litters.  I still thought that little female would of turned on and bayed because she barked plenty when I had her for that short time (I just couldn't ever catch her).  Thats her brother I posted a pic of up top.  He's going to be a good gritty dog for me.  

That's going to be a pretty good road trip drive for you to take those dogs back.  Weren't you from Texarkana, something like a 11 hour drive?  So are you going to get your money back or try some other puppys?

[TexasJ]

If my memory serves me correctly, Mr.Thoms mentioned that he guaranteed all his dogs. And that of all the years he only had dogs brought back one time.  I believe Mr.Thoms described some irregular circumstances surrounding that instance.  Didn't he say [that after a year if the dog didn't work he would take it back] and that was his guarantee???

My question is if I'm mistaken or does he have a return instance higher than just one.  Seems to me there would have been more than just one dog returned after so many years of puting 50+ puppys out.  Even if you do have the strongest bloodlines that exist...

[dgdawsonBMCs]

One thing to remember with the ben dogs is that ben was bred to over 30 bitches in his life.  I have no doubt that there were some females that should not have been bred.  It is my understanding that Randy and Mr Thoms do not hunt their dogs, so some of these dogs will be pasture dogs...meaning they will bay like champs and are pretty aggressive, but when it comes to the woods, they will not have what it takes, because the dogs have not been bred for their hunting ability...It is imperative that you know the hunting ability of the dogs before you buy pups (for better % of turnout)..

[kinnidi]

i've gotten dogs from david. good dogs. i use mine on cattle. my sugar/hornet gyp is as good as they come. she'll go DEEP to find cattle.
NOT a short range dog. super smart at reading bad situations. not real catchy on cattle, but reads cattle well enough to know when teeth are needed. my chata/ colorado gyp started easy as pie, at 4 and a half months, super catchy/rough, would as soon catch as bay, at 6 months i use her like a finished dog (she is definatly not finished but you can rely on her better than most broke dogs i've been around). both have a ton of bottom and were flighty as hell as pups (which i like). the sugar/hornet gyp and my male randy/coyote were a little tricky to start, i'd say 90% percent of dog people would not have got them started, but once started they never looked back. these are dogs where patience and sense definitely pays off. none of mine have been real short range dogs. the male has a little bit of bottom problems since he heat stroked as a yearling but is still a way above averge cow dog.

[AnthonyB]

I can't speak for Mr Thoms, but Randy uses his dogs for finding and working cattle. All his dogs are worked, as is easily seen on his website. He will only breed the most exeptional dogs that prove themselves. They are breed to be inteligent, hard working, and hard hunting dogs. The dogs are guaranteed to work, period. If they won't work great on what ever they are put on, he will be the first to CULL when needed, pasture dogs and dogs that don't work will have no place in Randy's breeding program.

[Mike]

Fella's, y'all went way off track here. If y'all want bad mouth lines of dogs, do so in private.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

My take got deleted

Anyway, I prefer a cur dog who has been produced from hog hunters who have line bred their pups for years...I will just say it like this if mom and dad and Grandad and Grandma and so on didn't hunt hogs, and aren't line bred, I don't even want to waste my time trying them.. Life is too short to throw dice

[dgdawsonBMCs]

Well, let me add this, if you get good cow dog stock from men like Ben Jordan who use their dogs on big acreage to hunt and find cows then that would be an exception....Ben Jordan and Clue Anderson use their curs for this and breed them for hunting ability.  So, dogs from this type stock will be as good as any.  I have yet to see a foundation dog not bay a hog, but have seen several (and owned some) who would not get out and find me hogs (but would eat them up in a pen)..These men prove their dogs and breed for themselves, so they typically use their best producing dog to breed their litters.  When you use several dogs as breeders, you will produce many culls...It would take you years just to get good feedback from people to see what you are producing.  I don't want to be part of an experiment, I  would like to see offspring of the pair doing their thing...

[TexasJ]

Fella's, y'all went way off track here. If y'all want bad mouth lines of dogs, do so in private.

Hello Mike,

As a "customer" of David Thom's Kennels I am interested in what other "customers" responces are. While my purchase and experience with Thom's dogs have been positive I am sure that other peoples opinions could be a little different. I realize that ETHD was not set-up to be a bashing board, but it is a public forum.  And as a public forum, it provides a platform (which was never possible in the past) for "customers" to share information.  If sharing negative experiences are provided in a respectful and tactful manner, their contributions are just as helpful as the positive ones. 

I would like to use ETHD as a platform to hear what other customers have to say.  I would like the ability to cross reference my understanding from David that " of all the dogs he has placed, dogs have only come back once".  Other customers ( such as myself) can have better confidence of returning a dog after knowing there have been more than one dog returned.  Personally speaking, I paid what I considered "top dollar" ($800) for 2 puppys.  I returned one of the puppys after a month because I did not feel she was worth the money I spent (this return policy was o e of the reasons I paid the higher than normal amount).  Other people might share in my experience and gain confidence to return their dog as well.

I am very happy with the male dog I have from David.  I am very impressed by my buddy Andy's young dog from David.  I believe David's kennell operation and blood lines are first class.  Mr. Thom is also a very fine business man.  That all being my personal opinion, I believe this thread was started to inquire / share information of other people who are customers.  I hope that contributions to this thread would be allowed to be both positive and/or negative (as long as they posted in a respectful manner).     

[Mike]

Josh, it's fine to discuss the positives and negatives on issues... but like you said, do it respectfully. Some folks just have a hard time doing that. But that's ok, those get taken care of.

The problem on this thread is that they weren't even talking about Mr.Thom's dogs anymore... they went off on another man's line.