weatherford ben bloodline?

[UNDERDOG]

With almost 1600 members and the discussions on the "Ben" lines and the numbers of pups stated that have and are produced how many here actually USE these dogs? not just raise them for the money,name and the pappers and % of "Ben" blood ?  I would think w/ as many Ben dogs that are said to be around that many here would be useing them.

What are y'alls thoughts?

[dgdawsonBMCs]

dang, I could only pick one option....so i put that I use them..but there is some hype..

[duece24]

underdog this is a loaded question..lol. if you are on this board and you've said you have ben blood and you are looking to sell pups, then you aren't going to publically say i have a bunch of ben dogs but i don't use them(at least not here). i have no ben in either of my gyps. heard the good and bad about this line. some people sing their praises and others i've talked to wouldn't own one if you gave it to them.

my personal opinion is that this line is like the jeep line in pitbulls. ben got real popular(like jeep) and people started breeding papers and for %'s and it worked for a while because ben was a good producer. then people started to think that you can stick a ben dog to anything and get good dogs and that's when the line started to become watered down. i think if you got a ben dog from linebred working parents you have a special dog and if you breed it to other linebred working ben dogs you'll probally get a litter of very good dogs. i think the problem is that many people that say they are working their ben dogs really aren't, which supports my origianl statement that this is a loaded question.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

duece24 - you have nailed it..

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

I have seen some of these dogs, but was not really impressed with them. Of course I use my on dogs. Just this year I purchased a Ladner pup, and so far im please with what I see in him.

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

IM going to start somthing here I know. Breeding dogs is tricky. Good dog to good dog does not always get you good dogs. I may get over some peoples head and im not trying to be cute. Breeding dogs is alot like breeding cattle. If you take and breed line bred to line bred you should get what is called an F1 X. But both famlies have got to be dang good famlies. What I mean is still have all the traits that you are looking for and need to produce same. But line breeding will bring out the bad traits also. Any thing else to me is a crap shot

[duece24]

thanx dawson...i figured i was on the right road.

rocking p you are new here, so you don't know but we have talked about f1 crosses. you are right though, if you breed a freakishly good dog to another freakisly good dog but all the dogs behind those two are avg more than likely you are going to get avg pups(at best). now take a linbred dog of above avg dogs bred to another above avg dog line bred on above avg dogs, you chances now go up.

something was told me a long time ago. you very seldom see a a great dogman as a great breeder and you very seldom see a great breeder be a great dogman. there is always an exception to the rule, but thru the coarse of history with respect to pitbulls. the great breeders were never great dogmen and the great dogmen very seldom bred up good dogs.

[grittydog]

My 2 W. Ben dogs were baught to hunt hogs. I will breed the 2 I have because that is what I want to do with them. I will not  be selling them, I want the litter for personal use. If someone has just started hog hunting with dogs it is hard to find a dog to hunt with, I dont care what flavor you want. On these boards you always read about somebody being pissed off because they bought a dog and it wasn't worth !@#$, and they cant find the person that sold it to them. My question to everybody that reads this is.  Where can I go buy a BMC that is line breed for years that is guaranteed or your money back?

[UNDERDOG]

I really did not want to discuss breeding and such so much as how many use these dogs,although there have been some good points brought up. I read a thread on here that quoted a very large number of these ben dogs being bred etc. so I was just curious how many actually use them.

[Scott]

 Where can I go buy a BMC that is line breed for years that is guaranteed or your money back?

I'd venture to say that you couldn't buy one...the ones that would have those don't sell too many dogs. They keep them close with folks that they trust to do right by their dogs.

[Texas_Cur]

Randy Wright sells them with that guarantee up to a year old, I believe.

I hunt 2 dogs with Ben blood.  They are not perfect, but they do hunt well for me

[dgdawsonBMCs]

Ok, I will bite...Guaranteed to do what exactly?

[Scott]

Ok, I will bite...Guaranteed to do what exactly?

You beat me too it

[duece24]

there is a guy in new caney or cleveland that has some dogs that are down from james davis and he is guaranteeing his pups up to one year. i belive the guarantee is that your dog will work a pig at a year. meaning get out hunt, find and bay a pig. he isn't guaranteeing nothing more than if you have been working with the dog at a year or shortly there after they should hunt, find and bay pigs. not saying they will be great dogs, but they will find a pig and bay it.

and james davis blood is hard to come by now, but all the research i have done shows that it was/is a strong line of good dogs. i feeling pretty blessed to have stumbled upon my 1/2jd curs gyp(oh and i paid nothing for her...lol).

[UNDERDOG]

Weatherford's Ben world champion hog catch dog, world champ cow dog, world bench champion, hall of famer, to date has produced the only world champion other than himself. Has produced many other hall of fame dogs and is the nations number one all time producing stud dog for this breed. Of the top ten stud dogs of record most carry Ben genetics, some are sons, some are grand sons, and one is even a great grand son. As a matter of fact there is only one top ten stud dog not carrying the Ben genetics.  In Randy Wright's humble opinion Ben was the best cow dog he ever saw until his son Wright's Bounty Hunter got old enough to show his stuff. Hunter works identical to Ben in that he is a rock solid catch dog that even hard core bulldog men can admire, and have. LOL A cold nosed wide hunter that proved he would rather pass out baying cattle right next to water than look out for a drink an leave his work. Now that's desire folks and it don't come easy you gotta have it in the genes so you better start with it right up front or your playing catch up. Ben was 65 pounds in working shape, produced heart, intelligence, drive and desire. Bred by Mike Bauman in Oklahoma Ben was fawn yellow, black nosed, long legged, deep wide chested, high tight flank, long body. Was known to have been placed on a 24 hour old track of some rank Braford brush cattle which he then trailed 6 miles or so bayed, an settled to be penned. Ben was known to have a slobbering glaze eyed focus on a bay, really worked a front end lead but had the intelligence listen, and so do his pups given the right stimulation an training.  This ain't a flaming advertisement just some truths about an out standing line of working dogs and what kind of things you can expect when you make a move towards the Foundation Blackmouth Cur for a working breed. There were 40 + litters off Ben all turned out to be above average for the most part, he has pups in 43 states, doing a wide range of different tasks showing the breeds versatility, there are 18 different breeding programs using this blood in the states an one in Canada, most are stock working or professional hunters. Folks, facts just can't lie!
Just some info I found

So who is hunting all these dogs and this line???

[grittydog]

A BMC that will strike a hog and bay till the catch dog gets there.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I have only had 4 or 5 litters of pups, but to my knowledge I haven't had any that wouldn't bay a hog...now finding consistently, not sure about.  I am not sure, because you never hear from most of them...I feel I could put a guarantee on my pups to eat, drink, poop, sleep, and find an occasional hog and bay a pigs head off in a pen.  So, the next time I sell a pup I will give this guarantee..

[Scott]

and james davis blood is hard to come by now, but all the research i have done shows that it was/is a strong line of good dogs. i feeling pretty blessed to have stumbled upon my 1/2jd curs gyp(oh and i paid nothing for her...lol).

Yep, a little hard to find...the ones I hunted with were as rough as a cobb and didn't live to be old dogs.

[duece24]

dawson i know where you are coming from...but there have been dogs that at a year or more they won't even look at a hog, won't bay, etc. so these people are simply saying at a year your pup will bay a pig. and even some will say if you aren't pleased with your pup then bring it back and we will replace with a pup from another litter.

i already know what you are going to say(cuz i feel the same way) if i have a pup from a line that doesn't work out i dont' want another one from the same line...lol. some have more patience than i do, but if i buy a pup from you and it doesn't work i'm not going to come back and get another one, i'll spend my money else where...that is just me.

[BigAinaBuilt]

I have no experience with WB Curs but have hunted behind a Ladner/Whippet that I was impressed with but afater reading the last response I had hte thought of :
 If the pup doesn't please you after 1 year do they give you a 1 yr old or do you start the first year over??