weatherford ben bloodline?

[duece24]

and james davis blood is hard to come by now, but all the research i have done shows that it was/is a strong line of good dogs. i feeling pretty blessed to have stumbled upon my 1/2jd curs gyp(oh and i paid nothing for her...lol).

Yep, a little hard to find...the ones I hunted with were as rough as a cobb and didn't live to be old dogs.

when i talked to mr. davis that is what he told me also..lol. luckily mine isn't that rough. she will pull hair once she knows the hog can't get her(notice i didn't say that she catches after the catchdog..lol..just when she knows she isn't in danger..lol). she didn't really crank up until about a year or so. i was looking to get rid of her, now the only time i thought about getting rid of her is when me and the wife were having problems and i thought i needed to get rid of the dogs..but lucky me that wasn't neccessary. other than that, money can't buy that gyp...

[dgdawsonBMCs]

Well, from one of the breeders it has only happend once. Hell, almost any dog will bay a hog, and most of the people that buy from these breeders are new hog hunters, or are buying them for a farm/ranch dog, or are cow dog people...Not that some of us haven't bought them for hog dogs, but just talking about the majority.  So, if I sell 50 a year and you bring back 5 (which doesn't happen) it would be easy to give a guy back his money...If someone came to my house with one of my dogs I would give them their money back as well.  I would rather them do that than try to sell it to someone else.  I would take it in and see if it had any potential, if not I would cull it.

[redriverslim]

Just another point to add . . . Sometimes people tend to call any dog that is registered with the FBMCBO, and it has Ben in the pedigree a few times, they call this a Weathorford Ben dog.  However, most of the Ben bred dogs I've seen and seen their paperwork, are mixed up with other folks bloodlines too.  You will see alot of "Simms" blood, as well as "Gay" bloodline, etc. in most of those Wright bred dogs.  I had a dog on my place that I hunted for a while, I didn't own him, but hunted him and bred a couple gyps to him.  He was FBMCBO registered, and carried like 37% Ben.  But he was mainly line-bred Benson's Little Bobbie.  But I was guilty of referring to him as the "Weathorford Ben" bred dog, when in actuality, he was more other stuff than Ben.  I think people see those Foundation papers and just automatically think "BEN", Hell I was guilty of it.  Just like deuce24 said, (reference to Jeep) it may be a great grandson of Ben on the top-side, but the bottom half might be predominantly something else, and maybe a little Ben in the mix somewhere, that doesn't make it a Ben dog.  It makes it a blackmouth dog with some Ben influence in its ancestry.  People tend to forget that there are other dogs in the ancestry that could be influencing the breeding more than Ben, but because its FBMCBO, people just think BEN, the if turns out good or bad, BEN gets the credit or the blame.  I would say if you had a double grandson of BEN, and then you bred it to a double grandaughter of Ben, then you could honestly call that a BEN bred dog.  However, what if those two dogs you bred together were junk to start with?  People buy the pup, it doesn't turn out, and then they say . . . I wouldn't have a BEN dog.  Well maybe what they should have said is I wouldn't have a dog bred by "such-and-such person" because that particular individual does not test his dogs and makes junk breedings.  There are lots of people out there breeding BEN dogs, and selling BEN bred pups, who are doing nothing more than lining up percentages on pedigrees and saying, "Well I've got "such-and-such" percentage BEN in these pups, so they will be worth this much.  I owned some BEN bred dogs.  Got rid of most of them.  Some were good, some weren't.  Its really JUST THAT SIMPLE with most bloodlines.  Here is one truth . . A bloodline of dogs is ONLY as good as the man culling them.  Two people can start out with the same dogs from the same breeder and both men buy 10 puppies each and never breed off the yard.  If their breeding, testing, hunting, culling philosophies are drastically different, I promise you can come back to both those same men 10 years later and the dogs will be drastically different in the way they hunt, work, percentages turining out, etc.  And THEY BOTH HAVE THE EXACT SAME BLOODLINES ON PAPER.  There are good Ben dogs, and there are bad ones.  It really just comes down to who is buying their feed and how much they expect out of the dogs they choose to keep and breed.           

[redriverslim]

Just one more point . . I am not FOR or AGAINST Ben bred dogs.  I am probably like most folks, I just like a GOOD dog, no matter what the breeding.  We owned 7 or 8 FBMCBO reg. Ben bred dogs.  Most of them did not turn out, a couple of them did and we like those dogs and they can continue to eat our feed.  We hunted the Clyde dog of Robert Benson's for about a year.  Most people would call him a Ben bred dog.  He was rolling out over 2 miles and finding, stopping and baying hogs at 9 yrs old with no teeth.  I think he would be a good dog by anyone's definition.  He also would work cows real well.  So there is just one  example of a good Ben dog amongst the 1000's of junkie ones.  Just a reminder to all the future Weathorford's Ben owners.  Don't buy into the percentages, buy into the MAN that hunts them, culls them, and buys their feed.  If you call someone with some BEN pups for sale and all they can tell you is . . "these pups are 67.5% this and 35.4% that" . . then I would immediatley hang up the phone.  Hell . . you're not buying a calculator, you're buying a dog.     

[jdt]

i like the foundation dogs , thats mostly what i've been using ,i'm over here across the river .. in a thicket and thats the only thing worth feeding i've found so far .  almost 4 out of 5 of the ones i've had passed my inspection . 4 of them came from over here ( tn and east ) , and they'd been here for several years . i just used a7 month old pup today on a cow job because i was short handed , and she did better than i could of hoped for,  the one i culled came from a well known breeder and he made it right  when the dog didnt turn out.
 he's a stand up man as far as i know .

   i probably shouldnt say this , but i have to wonder why randy sold senorita  in the first place and why shes been for sale everyso often since then .

   i think hes produced some excellent dogs , and there will be good dogs come out of them  in the coming years .

[Yeller]

I have a male dog comin 2 that came from 4D kennels in N.M. he's off Wrights Western Cinch thats been finding hogs sense he was 9months He's still got some learning to do but I can catch hogs with him.I can only say good about the way Steven Dallas of 4D has treated me and he does hog hunt This is not a advertisement for anyone just telling my experience with the( one) WB dog I have .I will mention that I had a yellow jacket bred gyp that came from DG Dawson that was making a good dog but lightnin struck her

[Monteria]

I know exactly zero about BMC lines or Weatherfords Ben and his progeny.  BUT, I sure can appreciate a few of these replies as they apply to ALL breeders, ALL bloodlines and ALL breeds!

Steve

[dgdawsonBMCs]

Redriverslim -  You sir hit the nail right on the head....Dogs are dogs, it is the man behind them that makes them better or worse with how he manages their progeny.

[UNDERDOG]

378 veiws,and 10 of 28 votes FOR Ben dogs.....thats it outa all these close to 1600 members?

[POTTER]

I have only been doggin for acouple of years, so you can take my opinion for what its worth. All the dogs I hunt with are Ben bloodlines from 4-D Kennels out of N.M. I am really impressed with these dogs agility and heart. My best dog is 4-D Thor which is out of SD Zeus x Wrights Western Tia. Thor has plenty of drive and very gritty, when he hits the ground he is always suited up. I'm sure there are many different bloodlines and breeds that are great hog dogs too but the Ben bloodline is what I use. Just my .02.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

Thans for sharing..

[make-em-squeel]

378 veiws,and 10 of 28 votes FOR Ben dogs.....thats it outa all these close to 1600 members?

So ? dont really see your point i guess. Out of the people that have viewed the post I doubt more than three have even seen a 50% ben dog hunt 1 time, much less owned one. Plus from a point of view i live most of my life by, be financial, political, etc. if you see the herd going one way I would reccomend going the other.

[make-em-squeel]

I have only been doggin for acouple of years, so you can take my opinion for what its worth. All the dogs I hunt with are Ben bloodlines from 4-D Kennels out of N.M. I am really impressed with these dogs agility and heart. My best dog is 4-D Thor which is out of SD Zeus x Wrights Western Tia. Thor has plenty of drive and very gritty, when he hits the ground he is always suited up. I'm sure there are many different bloodlines and breeds that are great hog dogs too but the Ben bloodline is what I use. Just my .02.

Sounds like a good one! I dont perfer gritty so I am hoping mine will take to the dogs i am hunting him with.

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I think someone nailed it early in the post...most hog hunters don't want to pay the money it would take to get a ben dog.  Most of the people who have them are probably cow dog people..I would also suspect that lots of dogs out there have a little ben in them and most don't know it.  I want to know all the history on any of my dogs, but find most hog hunters (from my dealings) just want a dog that will hunt and don't want to waste space in their head to have to remember the where and the how

[POTTER]

Make Em Squeel, I'm proud of 4-D Thor, he is the grittiest dog i have. His pedigree is SD Zeus x Wrights Western Tia, but I have another Ben dog that is out of Wrights Western Rustler X Wrights Western Senorita that is more of a bay dog. So depending on how it is bred you may have more of a bay dog than a rough gritty dog. Good Luck

[Cull Buck]

I have two dogs in my yard with Ben blood in them.  One is a registered dog and the other isn't.  I REALLY like both dogs.  Based off of what these dogs have shown me I would not hesitate to snatch another up if the opportunity presents itself. 

[dgdawsonBMCs]

I feel like the older the blood you got from randy the better.  Some of the stuff he started out with was line and inbred to the hilt.  I just believe that the dogs are getting watered down because of all the looser breeding (by not proving the dogs first before they are bred)..

[jdt]

i agree , dgdawson , i use to use hangin tree dogs on cattle . after they got popular and i ran out of them  the price went up and the quality went down .

[AnthonyB]

dgdawson, you seem to be going back and forth with your opinion on the Ben dogs. So what is your opinion on Ben and Randy's dogs, are you dogging them or supporting them? Have you talked to Randy personally or are you just making assumptions? Have you bought dogs from him to know what his guarantees are? Have you had dealings with him, or is this a thinly veiled attempt to back the dogs that you sell?

[jdt]

ahk ohh , look out folks  .