Plotts

[Bryant]

Anyone have any opinions of or experience with Pocahontas bred Plotts?

[duece24]

when i was coonhunting it was told to me the pochohantas bred plotts were some of the best around. the pochohantas breds ones were more bear and boar though. not as cold nosed and GRITTY. that's about all the info that i have about them.

[Yeller]

The best plott I've hunted with was pochohantas bred not many full plotts suit me no offence intended but she has produced some nice plottxBMC dogs

[heat]

The thing with the plotts I hunt is that they have more bottom and stick than most of the people I hunt with .  If you have small spots of land and a wife that wants you home on time then plotts are not for you.  If you have a low hog population, plenty of land, and a stick with them, run them in the ground, attitude, then plotts may be the way to go.   

[raider54]

25 years ago the Pocahontas line was the best on the Plott breed, they were doing very well in the UKC coon hunts.

[Randy_P]

The crockett blood is known to be more on the catchy side. A good mix of pocahontas and crockett seem to be the way some of your hog and bear guys are going.  A friend of mine just purchased two pups from West Virginia.  I will get him to post what he and the breeder talked about.  Most of this breeders dogs are pocahontas blooded if i am not mistaken.  This breeder loves the way his pocahontas dogs hunt and the stay that they have.  But definately buy from someone who hunts them and not one who just breeds and takes them to bench shows.  JMO

[Bryant]

A while back I remember reading a post of Jim Crainers (thought it was on baydog, but can't find it now) where he mentioned several plott lines, and a few distinctions between them.  He noted a few that were more prone to producing closed mouth hounds.  (Probably closer descendants to the big game lines).

Do the Pocahontas dogs tend to be more tight mouthed as a rule?

[Maver!ck]

would love a tight-mouth plott.
The ones i hunted had excellent nose, run for miles on a cold track, and more bottom than anything.(sizzlin heat bred - and crossed back over to Jim Crainer's good male)
I was younger and not well financed, so i didn't have a tracking system.  
plott  x  no tracking system = bad combination
Lost a real good gyp twice, once for 4 days and another for 3 and both times she was close to dead from running so hard.
She would leave the country  and you could hear her all the way, but she would get out of hearing distance quick like and in a hurry.
Which was another thing that i didn't like, open on track.    We tended to chase longer, baying up less.
Oh well, love their nose, drive, and bottom... just couldn't find the right one to suit me and my hunting preferences being silent til bayed.
I know they are out there and Jim Crainer swears you can train one to be tight mouthed, but it takes a lot more time than i have now to make it happen.

Maver!ck

PS - the guy i sold her to said you couldn't buy the dog from him for any amount of money... said he took her out(he had a tracking system) and she went 5 miles from where they turned out, crossed under Interstate 20 and had a 300# bar bayed by herself for hours before they could get to her and they caught that hog. 

[keyserdawg]

The pocahontas dog i tried was too slow and loud for me.  My buddy has a nice sizzlin heat bitch.  She is fast on track but wide open.  I like the crocketts.  They seem to hunt more cur like though that is why i like them.  They have also been quiet for me.  They seem to be real good at finding hogs but some seem to push them a bit, you may need to hunt a couple or have a running catch dog on the ground. 

sizzlin heat bitch is laying down

the brindle dog is my crockett sundance, this was a hunt in fl last winter
Ben

[scdogman]

Bought two pocahontas dogs that were a year old and really never out of the pen.  They came from Mr. Walker himself.

One out of Cody II and the other out of Gus.

Both fired up quickly for not really any exposure to game.  I sold the Gus pup to a bear hunter and my buddy was starting the Cody II pup for me.  She was later killed.  The pup was wide open with a booming voice.

I know some of the Cody II dogs are silent and I was hoping  for one.  Mine was wide open.  As far as speed, the line is doing pretty good in the nite hunts, so I know track speed is not a problem.

I would try another and would go back with the cody II line of dogs.

As in all lines, some guys love them to death and some guys hate or dislike them.

[johnf]

i have a 3yr old plott bitch with some sizlin heat and sarge2 in her and she dose well on hogs.she is open but seem to stop and bay in a decent amount of time.usualy half a mile bigger one might have to wear down a bit. but if they wear down she still bayin hard.just picked up a weems x crocket male pup hope he turns out.

[scdogman]

Sizzlin heat was the first plott to win it all in the world hunt.

Speed kills.  He was suppose to be a really fast hound.  His write up and history is on plottdogs.com.

Also, I believe that some of the line is pretty quiet.

So there it is, speed and quiet.

[Hog Dog Mike]

The very first hog hunt I ever went on was with a Plott. It was a great dog and found lots of hogs. Bought a pup out of him and it was not any good.

A couple of years ago a Plott came up to work. He had a collar on and we called the number and it had been disconnected. Looked up the other number in the criss cross from the address and it had been disconnected. They were going to take him to the pound so I just took him home.

I don't know how old he is or if he ever hunted hogs before but he took to it. He is a really good strike dog, with bottom and grit. I like the dog and will keep him until he dies.

[outlaw14slayer]

I picked up two Pocahontas pups a couple months ago directly from Mr. Eugene Walker.  He is Pocahontas Plotts.  The pups I've got are good looking and pretty heavy boned.  Their look leaves no doubt they are hounds. They are 3 months old.  I put a small pig in  their pen a couple weeks ago.  One bayed good while the other bobbed and weaved, but really never barked.  They both caught after a couple minutes.  Mr. Walker breeds for intelligence, speed, heart, and grit.  He doesn't have very many dogs and is not a puppy mill.  His dogs hunt.  They are gritty as hell, but not suicidal.  I saw a couple that he had in recovery from recent bear wounds they got during bear training season.  I contacted him many months in advance and told him what I was looking for in a dog and what I would be using them for.  He told me he would do a breeding that would fit the bill and contact me.  He did everything he said he would and it was a pleasure visiting with him.  If anyone wants pups from him better call him way in advance, he doesn't do many litters.

I've got two other Plotts that are coon bred. They look more like curs than hounds.  One is out of "Trumbos Sandy Hook Smokey."  She is a cull as a hog dog (no grit), but has turned into an excellent blood tracker (really doesn't even need blood).  She will trail anything you put her on.  The other is out of "River Bluff Brindle Cowboy Up."  She is pretty gritty and whines on a hot track or when she sees one.  She runs good with the other dogs and is doing good for an 11 month dog. 

Consensus from the Plott men I've talked to is that Crockett Plotts, on average, are to slow for a hog race, but that when they get there something is definately fixing to happen.

     

[leifbarnes]

Anyone have any opinions of or experience with Pocahontas bred Plotts?

so are you planning some crosses?

[Bryant]

so are you planning some crosses?

Nope.  Always just had a fascination with the Plotts.  I believe they are the only hound that was originally and specifically bred for boar hunting.  If memory serves me correctly from what I have read, when the Plott family brought them from Germany to the US, there were no boars to hunt so they started using them on bear and I assume thus began a desire for a more open trailing dog.  I've always heard tale that there are two strains of Plotts...the big game, and those more bred for coon hunting.
In fact, (and I'm relying on a memory that doesn't work that well sometimes) I recall there being some disagreement on hound or cur classification when the breed first became recognized by the registrys.

A few years back, I had a 1/2 Plott dog and I used to love to hear him bay.  Problem with him was he didn't want to hunt on his own.  Just as a novelty, I wouldn't mind having another but problem is that the only time I want to hear that bawl mouth is when the dogs face to face with a hog.

[jeffeasttx]

i don't know much about the blood lines of the plotts or even what blood line my plott is, he is silent until bayed, every once in a while, if the hogs breaks he may bark behind it if he can see the hog, not very often though. When i first got him, he would be 10 feet away baying, now he is right in the face, and starting to get a little rough. Like i said i don't know what blood line he comes from, the man that originally owned him lived in south louisinia.

[leifbarnes]

I have been looking and researching for several months. The silent ones are rare and prized possesions. I chatted with Buddy Goatcher on here. He has some connections in south La on some proven lines.  If you run across something let me know.  I will have some in the kennels when I find what I want!!
 

so are you planning some crosses?

Nope.  Always just had a fascination with the Plotts.  I believe they are the only hound that was originally and specifically bred for boar hunting.  If memory serves me correctly from what I have read, when the Plott family brought them from Germany to the US, there were no boars to hunt so they started using them on bear and I assume thus began a desire for a more open trailing dog.  I've always heard tale that there are two strains of Plotts...the big game, and those more bred for coon hunting.
In fact, (and I'm relying on a memory that doesn't work that well sometimes) I recall there being some disagreement on hound or cur classification when the breed first became recognized by the registrys.

A few years back, I had a 1/2 Plott dog and I used to love to hear him bay.  Problem with him was he didn't want to hunt on his own.  Just as a novelty, I wouldn't mind having another but problem is that the only time I want to hear that bawl mouth is when the dogs face to face with a hog.

[Maver!ck]

Put me on the list to be included on that 'prized' information when u get it as well.
I would love to find a tightmouthed plott.  Love everything about them except the trail barkin'
would own more than one if they were to be found.

Maver!ck

[Bryant]

BTW Keyserdawg,

Those are some fine looking hounds.  That Sundance gyp reminds me of my old Abby dog...man, do I miss her!