What makes a dog that yips or barks on track worth any amount of $ ?

[BarrNinja]

Its a personal preference, I prefer a totally silent dog. Although there have been a few (very few) oppertunities that a dog that would yip, would give you a clue as to the direction they were headed when they broke before I had the Garmin.

Top 3 Reasons I don't like a dog that yips on track-
#1 lets everybody know they are coming including the hogs, gives dog smart hogs a head start
#2 might/has pulled another dog off a track/scent that it is trying to work out
#3 A dog that is young and goes to a dog yipping on some scent, that pulls the other dogs to it, and the dog is not yet close to the hog, those other dogs learn to not honor that dog

1. All game including hogs know that a dog is coming whether it is barking or not. This sneak up theory does not hold water.
2. The problem with this assumption is not the open mouthed dog it is the other dogs in your scenario that lack independence to seek, find , and account for their own game.
3. I am not quite sure what you mean here but if a dog barks and draws his pack mates to him isn't that a good thing? Now if the dog barks at nothing that could cause dogs not to honor it and then that decision is easy.

I find it interesting that I know a man that hunts a big fully open mouthed walker and he catches more than anyone I know. Some of you open mouthed dog bashers should go hunt with him for a few days.

Sign me up! Id love to go and listen to a fully open walker catch more pigs than anyone "you" know.
I may not qualify because I have never bashed open dogs on this board but I have admitted that the ones I've owned and still own aggravate the crap out of me. That should count for something.

[Mike]

Sign me up too!

I haven't seen anyone bashing open dogs... only stating what they prefer and why. And many of those based on many years of experience with both.

[WestTexasCurs]

 

[lchunter]

where and when

[Bryant]

Had a kid ask me why a dog that yipped on track be worth $400 started to get riled up but figured it would turn into a good topic.  What do most of you think here.

Open, Silent...Short Range, Long Range....Loose baying, Catchy.......Any dog that's for sale is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

[Randy_P]

Why is it that guys with silent dogs think that every pig they bay was bayed in its bed???   How do you know that your silent dogs have not been chasing the hog that you "eventually" catch.  ( if you catch it)  This Walker Hound being mentioned has bayed as many hogs in their beds  as any silent dogs that I have ran.  I also question the experience level of some that are giving information on this topic.  But this is just my opinion.    
Anonymous Quote:  Just because you are older or have been doing something longer does not mean you know what you are talking about.  I know guys who have been doing this for years who started out with crappy dogs and still have crappy dogs.  

[lchunter]

no one knows everything about hunting no one will and im not sayin that a silent dog bays a hog in bed everytime and im not sayin that an silent dog is better i just dont want a open dog everyone has there way to hunt very few if anyone hunts them same we all have our ways and most ppl wont change thats just hunting

[ETHHunters]

no one knows everything about hunting no one will and im not sayin that a silent dog bays a hog in bed everytime and im not sayin that an silent dog is better i just dont want a open dog everyone has there way to hunt very few if anyone hunts them same we all have our ways and most ppl wont change thats just hunting

If you were never interested in a dog that yips then why even ? what the dog is worth?

[Mike]

It's a damn people can't even share what they like and what they've learned without others getting their feelings hurt... thinking they've been "bashed".

Y'all hunt what you want to hunt and makes you happy.

[coach]

I hunt mostly at night when hogs tend to move generally. So I guess I will never catch one in bed unless it's an old girlfriend. LOL 

[BarrNinja]

I hunt mostly at night when hogs tend to move generally. So I guess I will never catch one in bed unless it's an old girlfriend. LOL 

HAAAAHAHAA!

Thats it! Between this thread and  "Hounds verses Curs" You guys have me in freaking tears!

[uglydog]

Why is it that guys with silent dogs think that every pig they bay was bayed in its bed???   

Not all hogs get bayed in its bed, I don't see anyone on here saying every hog is bayed up in its bed, open or silent. However there are a few folks on here that actually know how to read sign, read dogs know a few things, and it is not hard to tell what a hog bed looks like, then if a hog is standing in its bed, dogs are baying it , catch dog catches where it stands, then its safe to say it got bayed & caught in its bed. or if it breaks before catching it, but you saw it standing there, then you can see it was in its bed.

It is pretty dern sad that people cannot have a discussion without pulling stuff out of nowhere and trying to make it worth fighting over. If something on here that I have to say bothers somebody, don't read it, simple, but you don't have to get all blown up about it. I ain't argueing, I always make sure This is the way we do something so it, what we like, to try and assure that I am not about to say this is by any means the only way, just what works for us through our experiences, by no means are those experiences limited, just our choice.

Its a personal preference, I prefer a totally silent dog. Although there have been a few (very few) oppertunities that a dog that would yip, would give you a clue as to the direction they were headed when they broke before I had the Garmin.

Top 3 Reasons I don't like a dog that yips on track-
#1 lets everybody know they are coming including the hogs, gives dog smart hogs a head start
#2 might/has pulled another dog off a track/scent that it is trying to work out
#3 A dog that is young and goes to a dog yipping on some scent, that pulls the other dogs to it, and the dog is not yet close to the hog, those other dogs learn to not honor that dog


1. All game including hogs know that a dog is coming whether it is barking or not. This sneak up theory does not hold water.
2. The problem with this assumption is not the open mouthed dog it is the other dogs in your scenario that lack independence to seek, find , and account for their own game.
3. I am not quite sure what you mean here but if a dog barks and draws his pack mates to him isn't that a good thing? Now if the dog barks at nothing that could cause dogs not to honor it and then that decision is easy.

I find it interesting that I know a man that hunts a big fully open mouthed walker and he catches more than anyone I know. Some of you open mouthed dog bashers should go hunt with him for a few days.

Sneek up theory does not hold water huh? thats pretty  interesting to me. So you are saying that all game animals just kNow when someone is coming or only a dog is coming??? Is it just game animals or exotics too?

Who do you know ? you said some of open dog bashers should go huint with him a few days, so now you put it out there go ahead and finish it,  and Who is bashing open dogs? I guess you are talking about me, since you decided to quote and respond to me. Looks like you got folks willing to see it with their own eyes.

[Buck]

where and when

When ever you get good and ready.....bring your BEST and we will make it worth while. How about a little cash wager?

[Buck]

Why is it that guys with silent dogs think that every pig they bay was bayed in its bed???   

Not all hogs get bayed in its bed, I don't see anyone on here saying every hog is bayed up in its bed, open or silent. However there are a few folks on here that actually know how to read sign, read dogs know a few things, and it is not hard to tell what a hog bed looks like, then if a hog is standing in its bed, dogs are baying it , catch dog catches where it stands, then its safe to say it got bayed & caught in its bed. or if it breaks before catching it, but you saw it standing there, then you can see it was in its bed.

It is pretty dern sad that people cannot have a discussion without pulling stuff out of nowhere and trying to make it worth fighting over. If something on here that I have to say bothers somebody, don't read it, simple, but you don't have to get all blown up about it. I ain't argueing, I always make sure This is the way we do something so it, what we like, to try and assure that I am not about to say this is by any means the only way, just what works for us through our experiences, by no means are those experiences limited, just our choice.

Its a personal preference, I prefer a totally silent dog. Although there have been a few (very few) oppertunities that a dog that would yip, would give you a clue as to the direction they were headed when they broke before I had the Garmin.

Top 3 Reasons I don't like a dog that yips on track-
#1 lets everybody know they are coming including the hogs, gives dog smart hogs a head start
#2 might/has pulled another dog off a track/scent that it is trying to work out
#3 A dog that is young and goes to a dog yipping on some scent, that pulls the other dogs to it, and the dog is not yet close to the hog, those other dogs learn to not honor that dog


1. All game including hogs know that a dog is coming whether it is barking or not. This sneak up theory does not hold water.
2. The problem with this assumption is not the open mouthed dog it is the other dogs in your scenario that lack independence to seek, find , and account for their own game.
3. I am not quite sure what you mean here but if a dog barks and draws his pack mates to him isn't that a good thing? Now if the dog barks at nothing that could cause dogs not to honor it and then that decision is easy.

I find it interesting that I know a man that hunts a big fully open mouthed walker and he catches more than anyone I know. Some of you open mouthed dog bashers should go hunt with him for a few days.

Sneek up theory does not hold water huh? thats pretty  interesting to me. So you are saying that all game animals just kNow when someone is coming or only a dog is coming??? Is it just game animals or exotics too?

Who do you know ? you said some of open dog bashers should go huint with him a few days, so now you put it out there go ahead and finish it,  and Who is bashing open dogs? I guess you are talking about me, since you decided to quote and respond to me. Looks like you got folks willing to see it with their own eyes.

As a matter of fact I am speaking about you. Wild animals do not need to hear a dog barking to know that something is in hot persuit and that is a fact. If that was not the case coyotes would practically wipeout everything in the woods. I just do not agree with your logic as to why you do not like a dog that "yips". You said that the dog that yips pulls other dogs to them and in essence pulls them from tracks that they are running. My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all. If you want to go hunt with that walker please let me know when you are available and how far you would like to drive.

[djhogdogger]

Open or silent....really??? Who cares as long as we catch hogs. We hunt with curs that are silent unless they are looking at a hog, but to tell you the truth I would hunt with a pink poodle that yodels on track if it finds hogs.  

[setexasplott]

Open, Silent...Short Range, Long Range....Loose baying, Catchy.......Any dog that's for sale is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.
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well put

[Texas_Cur]

where and when

When ever you get good and ready.....bring your BEST and we will make it worth while. How about a little cash wager?

The only thing I know for sure is that there are two things you should not bet on, your woman and your dogs.  The second you do your woman wont let you go hunting, and your dog wont leave your feet!

[coach]

UNACCEPTABLE   LOL  JK  LET'S JUST HAVE SOME FUN WITH THIS IT WAS POSTED ALL IN FUN

[WAARHEID]

I have to agree with Buck. Ever seen a nervous herd? How do they know there is a predator close by... do they smell it, hear it, do they see the vague and shadowy movement of the predator stalking ever closer through the brush... all of the above? Will we ever really know 100%... I doubt it. But the point is that sometimes they know, because the just know. And sometimes they just don't know and you can come in guns blazing... lights, sirens and all, and they'd just sit there and want to fight. Ive seen 100% silent coyotes and feral dogs run deer to death... they never opened up, and the deer was always way ahead of them, but the deer KNEW that dog was after them. How did they know... I don't know. To make things even more confusing, I've seen fully open hound dogs bay-up bedded hogs. I can't explain it, but it happens.

I've hunted fully open, fully closed, and everything in between. My preference... the dog that puts me on game... plain and simple.

Any dog that consistently puts you on game is worth the money you paid for it.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I've hunted fully open, fully closed, and everything in between. My preference... the dog that put me on game... plain and simple.

Any dog that consistently puts you on game is worth the money you paid for it.

Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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