What makes a dog that yips or barks on track worth any amount of $ ?

[coach]

The only thing I know for sure is that there are two things you should not bet on, your woman and your dogs.  The second you do your woman wont let you go hunting, and your dog wont leave your feet!
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ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH! AMEN   I HAVE TAKEN DOGS THAT HAVE HUNTED FOR ME FOR 3 OR 4 YRS AND ON SALE DAY THEY WOULDN'T LEAVE MY FEET WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

[Beejay]

Closed-open, short-tall, fat-skinny, gritty-loose, who cares?  I have friends that have dogs that I think should get a knife because they aren't worth a bullet, but they never sent me their feed bill so it doesn't matter.  If they think they have something, more power to them.  I don't believe anyone on here would feed a dog that they didn't think is worth feeding. JMO

[Bryant]

My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all.

Pups too?


This thread is really about preference..not IF this will work, or IF that will work.  Can someone catch hogs with hounds?  Sure they can...some like them, some hate them but no one's going to change anybodys opinion.  I personally see no BENEFIT to using them.

I personally have no use for an open mouthed dog.  Why?  Because I have a line of kennels containing dogs that each are proficient at producing hogs and doing so in a manner that I like.  If I was desperate for a lead dog, then I might be a little more willing to overlook attributes of a dog that I didn't necessarily like and the "as long as it produces" method of owning dogs might come into play.

[Buck]

I have to agree with Buck. Ever seen a nervous herd? How do they know there is a predator close by... do they smell it, hear it, do they see the vague and shadowy movement of the predator stalking ever closer through the brush... all of the above? Will we ever really know 100%... I doubt it. But the point is that sometimes they know, because the just know. And sometimes they just don't know and you can come in guns blazing... lights, sirens and all, and they'd just sit there and want to fight. Ive seen 100% silent coyotes and feral dogs run deer to death... they never opened up, and the deer was always way ahead of them, but the deer KNEW that dog was after them. How did they know... I don't know. To make things even more confusing, I've seen fully open hound dogs bay-up bedded hogs. I can't explain it, but it happens.

I've hunted fully open, fully closed, and everything in between. My preference... the dog that puts me on game... plain and simple.

Any dog that consistently puts you on game is worth the money you paid for it.

Agreed.

[uglydog]

My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all. If you want to go hunt with that walker please let me know when you are

Let me ask you this, make sure I got what you are saying correct first, If you turn 3 dogs out all 3 better be on their own hog? You said catch too? So are you using one-out hounds? Are you lead in bulldogs, or RCDS? 
Another Blanket Statement  “EVERY DOG A Hunter Owns Should BE” Who are you to tell everybody on here what kind of dog they should have or own or feed?  That’s just not right to think you are better or above anybody. I know a lot of people that all hunt different  dogs types, styles, and we are still friends or atleast respect each other, I don’t care if they catch more hogs then I do (most time they don’t, lol).
You can’t decide whats best for me or my friends to hunt with or what will catch more hogs where I am, no more than I can for you, This is a discussion forum to talk with others,  Most people get along and enjoy this site for that reason

You go back and read each and everyone of my posts, I never edited any of them, and I never challenged you to a duel of dogs, however there were 4 offers to go see this dog hunt that you so cockilly speak of, none from me, now you want to prove a point great we can talk like adults should, would you like me to come see this dog and change my mind, then invite and we will debate- don’t go off like someone ready to drop his pants with a measuring stick.
That one walker dog probablyy is an exceptional dog , since you are willing to make such a fuss about him, I might like to see him but I don't like to run my dogs with open dogs.
Just try to relax a little bit this is ETHD Forum, where everybody needs to get along

[Buck]

My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all.

Pups too?


This thread is really about preference..not IF this will work, or IF that will work.  Can someone catch hogs with hounds?  Sure they can...some like them, some hate them but no one's going to change anybodys opinion.  I personally see no BENEFIT to using them.

I personally have no use for an open mouthed dog.  Why?  Because I have a line of kennels containing dogs that each are proficient at producing hogs and doing so in a manner that I like.  If I was desperate for a lead dog, then I might be a little more willing to overlook attributes of a dog that I didn't necessarily like and the "as long as it produces" method of owning dogs might come into play.

Bryant,

Thanks for the response. I do feel that a pup has to have time to learn but there comes a point hat is the pup must become a dog that can do it alone. I am also glad that you boil it down to preference instead of one is better than the other as many do.

Thanks,

Buck

[Buck]

My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all. If you want to go hunt with that walker please let me know when you are

Let me ask you this, make sure I got what you are saying correct first, If you turn 3 dogs out all 3 better be on their own hog? You said catch too? So are you using one-out hounds? Are you lead in bulldogs, or RCDS? 
Another Blanket Statement  “EVERY DOG A Hunter Owns Should BE” Who are you to tell everybody on here what kind of dog they should have or own or feed?  That’s just not right to think you are better or above anybody. I know a lot of people that all hunt different  dogs types, styles, and we are still friends or atleast respect each other, I don’t care if they catch more hogs then I do (most time they don’t, lol).
You can’t decide whats best for me or my friends to hunt with or what will catch more hogs where I am, no more than I can for you, This is a discussion forum to talk with others,  Most people get along and enjoy this site for that reason

You go back and read each and everyone of my posts, I never edited any of them, and I never challenged you to a duel of dogs, however there were 4 offers to go see this dog hunt that you so roosterilly speak of, none from me, now you want to prove a point great we can talk like adults should, would you like me to come see this dog and change my mind, then invite and we will debate- don’t go off like someone ready to drop his pants with a measuring stick.
That one walker dog probablyy is an exceptional dog , since you are willing to make such a fuss about him, I might like to see him but I don't like to run my dogs with open dogs.
Just try to relax a little bit this is ETHD Forum, where everybody needs to get along

The reason for my post is that I do not understand your logic thats all. If you want to feed 1000 poodles I could care less however why on earth would someone want to feed a dog that is a "me too" dog? You seem to be upset because I disagree. I never said that everytime you turn loose each dog should be on a hog....I do not have the luxury to have that many hogs but what I did say is that if a dog is working a track he should not go to the first dog that barks. That dog should have the independence and the confidence to start and finish his own track and in your scenario the fault in my humble opinion lies with the dog that quits his track and goes to a dog that "yips" as you put it.

Where do you get the idea that I think I am better than anyone? Did I write that anywhere? If anything I admit I do not understand your so called "dog wisdom" and the things you write of have not been my experiences. Obviously you get upset with anyone that disagrees with you-I think you are the one with the elitist attitude.

Yes the walker that I speak of is an exceptional dog and anyone that want to go hunt with him and bring their best dog of any kind let me know and I will arrange a hunt with his owner.

[uglydog]

Well I guess we can agree to disagree and this post will end on a happy note after all, as it should.

the reason it bothers me is I am the only one you picked out to pull the quote from my post, I guess because I am the only one that listed my reasons/logic why I feel like I do? I did not get myexperiences I write about off the internet or from buddies telling it to me, but I am still not going to sit here and tell YOu or anybody else YOU ARE WRONG, I am old enough to there are many shades of grey out there, my shade ain't the only one.

I gurantee I have hunted behund some good semi open dogs, with tons of bottom, spent several nights sleeping in the truck till the sun came up waiting for those dern dogs, and I still would not own them myself even though I can say they would produce hogs. Heres some more of my disagreeable logic, the poodles I hunt with these days can catch hogs (and do) be picked up, go home, and get sleep and go about it again in the morning, while those other types dogs are still on the same hog that can't be gotten too. Do I say my way is better "NO" I don't, I say this is whats better for me, not for everybody.

I hope Everybody had a Great Day!
 

[Bump]

In my opinion....if a hog is going to run....then it is going to run. A dog 'opening' or 'yipping' behind that hog will have an influence on when the hog chooses to begin its run or how hard it decides to run.

The hog may hear or scent the dog 500 yards back and have a good lead or it may hear or scent the dog 50 yards back. Obviously the amount of ground the dog needs to make up can be a factor on a running hog.

It is ultimately up to the dog to work the track, put pressure on the hog to stop and hold the hog. Otherwise the hog may trott all day long with a silent or open dog in tow.

I have a dog that 'yips' on track. Sometimes it is a lot and sometimes he is silent. I have places where the hogs run and others they dont run 100 yards. I will sell this dog for $1,000,000.  

[t.wilbanks]

Ill buy him cash in hand with a 20 year trial and warranty!   

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Ill buy him cash in hand with a 20 year trial and warranty!   

Garanteed to piss and die.  I'd say take his cool mil that he has in his hand.  No turning back, no turning back.  I've sang it in church many a times.

[t.wilbanks]

Ill buy him cash in hand with a 20 year trial and warranty!   

Garanteed to piss and die.  I'd say take his cool mil that he has in his hand.  No turning back, no turning back.  I've sang it in church many a times.

 

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I've got a stinking open mouthed bluetick that I would be willing to discount since he opens.  $100,000. cash up front.  I will give a 2 week trial on the dog.  I can for sure tell you he will hunt a hog.  He will open on track.  He will bay until you get there (under 2 hours).  He will catch when you tell him to.  Other than that, I can't say what he would do.  My zip code is 32656 if your going to yahoo for some directions.

I'll even throw enough feed in the deal so that you can keep him healthy for those 2 weeks.  You break him, you bought him.  Good luck to you.

Josh

[ETHHunters]

I've got a stinking open mouthed bluetick that I would be willing to discount since he opens.  $100,000. cash up front.  I will give a 2 week trial on the dog.  I can for sure tell you he will hunt a hog.  He will open on track.  He will bay until you get there (under 2 hours).  He will catch when you tell him to.  Other than that, I can't say what he would do.  My zip code is 32656 if your going to yahoo for some directions.

I'll even throw enough feed in the deal so that you can keep him healthy for those 2 weeks.  You break him, you bought him.  Good luck to you.

Josh

UNEXCEPTABLE! This is not the place for dog ads. Besides what makes a dog that yips or barks on track worth $100,000?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I love this board.

Time flies when you having fun, even if it is only a handful of individuals that is having fun with you (or at you).

[cantexduck]

 After a few trips most silent dogs know the difference in yips and a bay. Have seen it in my dogs. We sometimes hunt with dogs that will bark and yip on track. Only takes a few times for them to know the differance.
  I really dont care what a dog does. Finding and baying a hog is the outcome that matters. Like Bryant said- It only matters to the person feeding the dog in the end.

 Buck, I agree with some of your points. A few came across kind of strong armed so maybe that is the problem some have with them.

 Rex, Take a check?

 Uglydog,  I am lost on your comment about pants being down and a measureing tape?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

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[ETHHunters]

UNEXCEPTABLE! This is not the place for dog ads. Besides what makes a dog that yips or barks on track worth $100,000?
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[lchunter]

buck im ready now and where is this guy and are you and him hunting in cuero?

[Mike]

Y'all leave your macho, my dog is better than your dog attitudes of the board... nobody cares how good you think your dogs are.