Runners

[nogalus boy]

I did just about the same thing yesterday. Doesnt help when you only have pups and hogs that run 5 miles. Yes it gets aggrevating to say the least.

[Piglywigly]

My dogs will stop a hog in its tracks pretty dang quick, we dont really worry about runners anymore lol

what kind of dogs do you have?

[TexasHogDogs]

Around here were I live if you do not have dogs that sink teeth and get ruff you might as well stay home.  These boars around here just seem to keep getting badder and badder and run , run , run !  Only way you going to stop them with loose dogs is chase them for miles at a time till they decide they want to get caught and that is not a easy thing .  Stop'em is the name of the game .

[buddylee]

Seems like a lot of folks on here think their way is the best way and the folks with the loose baying dogs think rough dogs are not necessary. Not all of us have HUGE properties where you can run a hog for miles and not leave the property. I have hunted several properties where the hogs DON'T bay for any dog. They run when the think they hear a dog and or a 4 wheeler. The smartest hogs hang in thick stuff where a dog can't keep up with them. If you don't catch them right away your in for a long day. The hogs with more russian seem to run more than the old fat hogs of years gone by.

[Eric]

I have hunted with RCD, Curr dogs, 1/2 Cur 1/2 Hounds, and any where from 1-8 dogs on the ground, and where from 1-4 catch dogs. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. Depends on where you are hunting and what you are trying to accomplish in my opinion.

My Current set up is one loose old cur dog. If the hog breaks on her I have two wide eyed, fast, cur Xs I will cut loose that I have seen flat out run a hog down. Some times I use 2 bulldogs and some times I will shoot them. Going to see how this works out this grain season.

I agree that loose dogs are the way to start but are not always the answer. Some hogs run at first bark, especially if you hunt the same spot 4 or 5 times a week, and having 2 miles to run the hog down is not always an option. At the same time, RCDs are the main ingredient in a disaster pie, and it will happen sooner or later.

[Mike]

I don't see anyone saying their way is the best way... just people stating what they like and why.

I started with a pack of rough dogs that would catch any hog in the woods, never used a catch dog. I kept the ones that got smart and sent the rough ones to new homes... I don't any of them are still alive.

I enjoy hearing and watching a good bay, then sending in the catch dog. My dogs live longer, hardly ever get cut... and I still catch a few hogs.

We hunt some properties that are just like y'all mention... run, run, run. The fellas I bring with rough dogs have the same results... no matter how rough or loose or fast or slow the dog, they can't keep up with a hog in the thick stuff. I see it over and over and over, that's why I feel bottom is what gets those type of hogs caught.

Even then, we're not gonna catch them all. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be any hogs for us to hunt because they'd all be gone by now.

[BigAinaBuilt]

Hey guys! I just got back from the forest and this is the first thread I see!   I learned a damn good lesson today, When you have fast rough dogs that have the ability to get one stopped even if it takes a mile you still come home empty handed if you can't hear them once they stop!

 I was heading out of the forest and had a boar start blowing and take off downhill and so all 3 of my dogs take off after it. I stand there anticipating the stop and the collision when my Whippet/ Bull returns after a 20 minute chase. I stood there hoping to hear the other 2 get him stopped and it never happens! I stand there for another 25 minutes waiting before calling them back but they never return! After 45 minutes after they took off I start heading back down outta the forest the whole way out calling for them and not hearing anything but the forest and the birds. When I reach the bottom of the forest I call one last time and decide to get back to the truck, By this time they had been out 1 hour and a 1/2 and my dogs usually will try and stop um for bout 20 minutes and then they know to let it go and come back so I am just about flippin out by this point and expecting the worst. I am about 1 mile from the truck as I make my way I am still calling for them to come to me when up walks my Shepherd cross looking beat down and fatigued but the other dog is still out so I make my way to the truck and plan to wait there. As I meet up with my Shepherd I give him a glance over and find a few patches of hair shaved so I figured they must have had stopped the boar but I couldn't hear them. I get back to the truck and there is my other dog in the same shape as my Shepherd lying under the truck! I had plans to buy a Garmin but ended up having those surprise bills pop up but I now am convinced it is time to work some over time and get me a system!

 After looking over the dogs I am convinced they had the boar stopped somewhere outta ear reach and stuck with him for quite awhile! From where the boar took off to the truck was about 2 miles downhill through gulches. Owell thats how it goes! I will be back out there again and hopefully next time they get him stopped closer or at least in better terrain!

[BarrNinja]

I had a guided hunt this morning on one of these properties. I either catch the hogs were the dogs find them or we better have a sack lunch if we get one a runner.
Well we got on a runner!
The dogs found a huge boar that just wouldn't stay put for nothing! Its the same old story on that place. I ended up cutting the dogs off after over 4 hours of running this hog due to obligations to the hunting party I had left standing in the woods waiting on me to get back.
It about killed me to do it but there will be another day for that boar. I was 3 properties over and 2.5 miles from where the dogs started it. It ran mostly giant circles around that place until he picked a straight line and headed for the next county. At least the runners are pretty predictable on this place.
I could have shot him when he came out of the woods were I had planned to cute the dogs off. He almost ran over the top of my and the land owners son wile we where sitting on the 4-wheeler. That poor kid probably wont sleep well tonight. lol

Like I said, I like the sport in runners but they suck when you have a party out that just wants to stick a hog. I was sure proud of my dogs though. I had a 10 month old plott/cur cross I dropped on the track a little over an hour into the race. The other dogs had about 750 yards on her when I did. She caught up and stayed right with the other dogs until I cute them off almost 3 hours later. She is a experimental x from two breeders and I was happy to try a pup for them when they offered. We dont know what to expect out of them yet but Im liking what Im seeing so far.

Well. thats hog hunting for ya these days.

[BarrNinja]

Kyle0329,

I think you jinksed the weekend when you started this thread! lol. Another friend of mine got on a bad runner today. They ran the boar for almost 3 hours before they got it stopped.

[Piglywigly]

Like a lot of us have been saying, this story is getting told by more and more faces. All of which have great dogs who are capable of stopping a hog. The future of doggin hogs is about to change. It's coming soon.

[BarrNinja]

Here is a couple of old threads that fall in line with the subject of Runners.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6669.msg56247#msg56247

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4829.0

[Kyle0329]

Boarninja glad to see they got one stoped

[BarrNinja]

 Its hard to beat the feeling and the pride I have in my dogs when they put an end to one of these marathon runners! I use to think they were only smaller or average size hogs that ran like this but they come in all shapes and sizes. That boar I ran yesterday was a giant. He was packing a little Ivory also. Thats usually the kind of hog to make a stand and hardly run at all from what I have seen in the past.
 
Last year we jumped and ran a extremely piggy sow that weighed in around the 250 pound mark. She ran in a straight line from us stopping 2.57 miles away. We were on our way but she only bayed for about 5 minutes. The Garmin showed the dogs cumming straight back up the trail they had just chased the hog down. I knew that old dog of my sons wouldnt quit so we stopped and waited. She got stopped for good about the time she got back to us. Over a 5 mile round trip! She was just about ready to through that litter of pigs and she was so fat I wonderd if her belly didnt drag the ground. Even that didnt keep her from running 5 mile almost non stop.

[Txhoghunter]

Been through this before, but my question is, those of you with rough dogs that you claim will stop any hog in the woods, how do you know that thats what happening? Have you ever seen a dog that can keep up with a hog in a thicket? I havent. The key is to have dogs with the heart and bottom to stay with a big hog til he wants to stop, IMO. 

[BigAinaBuilt]

Been through this before, but my question is, those of you with rough dogs that you claim will stop any hog in the woods, how do you know that thats what happening? Have you ever seen a dog that can keep up with a hog in a thicket? I havent. The key is to have dogs with the heart and bottom to stay with a big hog til he wants to stop, IMO. 

If you got the land and then a ride to the hog when he "decides" to stop then heart and bottom will work as the pig will stop eventually but if the objective is to get it stopped quickly then you've got to put the dogs that will grab ass n balls till he don't like it any more. I have a dog that can keep up with any pig in the thicket but when they stop is when her faults (size,nipping grab) costs us pigs.

What I am saying is even with a dog that is 22 inches at the shoulder with a 17 inch head and possible of jumping through a 2' x 1' squares at 20+ mph there is still alot of figuring out to do in order to gaurantee a pig every time it is hit!

[TieEmUpOrLeaveEm]

Txhoghunter I think you said that perfect!   Where I hunt every hog is a runner I have ruff, silent, open, fast, small, and big they all have there purposes. For isnstance I have a gyp acually the best dog on my place is a semi open english hound she will bay a shoult with out catchin it and she has bayed many many bad runnin boars she has done it in 10 min and had her put the hog at the end of a 14 hr race. My point is its not up to the dog its up to the hog. In my experience if the hog dont feel pressured he will stand back and bay. JMO And im also like parker I turn 99% 0f the hogs back loose or relocate them. I dont like the hogs bein mangled up I do it for the sport! I cut any boar thats not russian and leave the nuts in the russian! I love the race and challenge of a russian runner!!!

[BarrNinja]

14 hours!!!

I would get that sucker mounted!!! That is one impressive hog and dog to put on that kind of race! What kind of size did it have to it? Lie to me if it was a shoult! lol

[Eric]

Been through this before, but my question is, those of you with rough dogs that you claim will stop any hog in the woods, how do you know that thats what happening? Have you ever seen a dog that can keep up with a hog in a thicket? I havent. The key is to have dogs with the heart and bottom to stay with a big hog til he wants to stop, IMO.  

You are correct that no dog can hang in real thick brush nor will a dog be able to stop a hog %100 of the time. If you are hunting super thick stuff with running hogs, loose with bottom would be the way I would go also if at all possible. That is how we hunted in Three Rivers with the hound crosses.

In some cases like where I hunt it is grain fields and river bottom you can use fast dogs and they can be effective at shutting running hogs down. I have see this pair of my dogs on more that one occasion run down a hog and make it stop on the river bottom. That is well worth it to me because I have had dogs with bottom out there and we spent more time hunting dogs than hogs. Plus, if the hogs cross the river they are home free. Again, they are not batting %100, but they are more effective when they are there, then when they are not.

I am not sure what people call "rough" but I don't consider these dogs rough, but they aren't loose either. That is just my take on this, if any one wants together and test some e-net talk in the woods I would be glad to.

[buddylee]

Not everyone is hunting on land where you can legally run a hog until it stops. Not every hog can be stopped but the key with rough dogs is to try and stop them from running. A runner ain't going to far to fast with a pack of dogs hanging off of him. I mentioned earlier about folks thinking their way is best, comments about heart and bottom are what I was talking about. I hunted this past weekend on a 400 acre tract of land within the city limits next to a really big interstate, would you rather catch a hog on the spot or give him a chance to run so your bottomless dogs can do their thing ?

[ktchemwcurs]

Yep these hogs now a days have their tennis shoes on but if you all keep haveing trouble with them let me know . I got some muts that will have a whole hind quarter pull off of a running hog . If he breaks once he better leave the country because them long legged muts of mine are going to have him sitting on his back side the next time he stops. I call em "nut dogs". I like em to bay but if they run, I want my dogs to sink them teeth in there backside and hold on until he stops and bays. I have hunted with a lot of diferent hunters and if you have a dog that will chase a hog then you will more than likely not catch the hog, but if you have dogs that bit one and turn one then he will bay up. You just got to have a dog with the right amount of stop and bay. When my dogs bay and the hog breaks, you will not hear anything until you hear that hog grunting a second because one of them has done hit him in the back side, then you will hear them bay again. This is just my opinion about my worthless muts and the way we hunt down here. I don't have any Catch Dogs either so there are not to many people that hunt like me. I still catch alot of hogs and a lot of big hogs with just a bunch of yellow mutts