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« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2010, 10:49:51 am » |
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man blow that $h1t out.... you have to be high to follow this thread.  line breeding/inbreeding IS the same thang. both are insest and insest is the best put your cousin to the test. this topic makes my head hurt. if ya breed two good dogs together and they throw good dogs do it again, if not try another breeding next time. sister,brothers,cousins,uncles,daughters,mothers,fathers,sons or what ever works its all a crap shoot in the end. back when buck was just a calf i was around a whole bunch of high dollar champion walker dogs, my uncle always bred his two best dogs it didnt matter if they were related or not most of the time they were related. he insisted this was the only way to halfway assure ya MIGHT get a few good pups "if ya breed crap ya get crap" he culled hard core and always had great dogs. Jmo  I think maybe people are over thinking this a little. He's right. Everyone should just bred any ol' dog. There is nothing to producing consistant hunting pups. Anyone can do it. Start with the mangiest mongrels you can find at the pound. Any dog will hunt, RIGHT?  ? |
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« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2010, 11:06:47 am » |
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Cutter I want to breed my best cur to your best hound!! Then we will have the best pups!!They will bark on track half the time and be silent the other half!!You can use them the day's they bark and I will use them the days there silent!!
Being you have been line breeding and I have been line breeding then they should be line breed pups!!You think we can sale some on the dog trade!!What do you think they would be worth!!OMG we just invented a super dog!!
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Hog hunting can start more crap than anything I have ever seen!(HDLCrystal)
Remember John Wayne was just an actor the real cowboys is who he looked up to..........
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« Reply #62 on: August 11, 2010, 11:24:38 am » |
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man blow that $h1t out.... you have to be high to follow this thread. line breeding/inbreeding IS the same thang. both are insest and insest is the best put your cousin to the test. this topic makes my head hurt. I think maybe people are over thinking this a little. Now that is a breeding plan right there! Set back and get high as a kite. Determine your next cross in the process. Then wait and see what happens.  If someone is using this plan let us now how it is working out for ya.  |
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« Reply #63 on: August 11, 2010, 11:42:56 am » |
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line bredding -inbreeding what ever you call it. it works !!!!!
you have to own something worth line breeding before its gona work.
yes, if a guy wants good stock it takes alot of thinking and planning.
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« Reply #64 on: August 11, 2010, 11:54:14 am » |
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well crap i guess We (my grandaddy ,dad,, breeding cattle,horse and dogs ) been doing it all wrong and i guess my ag teacher was wrong too.. (rip H.D. Kay) Ag teach in Troy Texas "79" and other refrence Dr. Morgan biology,zoology 79 80 81 Temple college
everyones got an ideal on breeding and ill stick with what i was taught and it works for me
Dexter
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« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2010, 12:21:11 pm » |
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I wonder what kind of dogs we would all be hunting today if the ole men the pioneers of old/founders of breeds never gave it much thought back then and just bred dogs best to best never caring about heritage, genetics, gene pools are family blood?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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« Reply #66 on: August 11, 2010, 12:25:39 pm » |
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Cutter I want to breed my best cur to your best hound!! Then we will have the best pups!!They will bark on track half the time and be silent the other half!!You can use them the day's they bark and I will use them the days there silent!!
Being you have been line breeding and I have been line breeding then they should be line breed pups!!You think we can sale some on the dog trade!!What do you think they would be worth!!OMG we just invented a super dog!!
If they bark at a cow early in the morning, you can hunt it. It they bark at a coon early morning, it's my day to hunt the dog. I like the way you think. I sure hope they are blue and not yellow. Man, I do have a reputation to protect. |
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« Reply #67 on: August 11, 2010, 12:37:57 pm » |
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I wonder what kind of dogs we would all be hunting today if the ole men the pioneers of old/founders of breeds never gave it much thought back then and just bred dogs best to best never caring about heritage, genetics, gene pools are family blood?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
I don't know how much thought that they put into genetics back then but i do know that they culled like a mo fo! People couldn't afford to feed a dog, it had to earn its keep. That alone created some really good dogs. Then when the economy grew and it was fashionable to have a dog as a family pet and everyone wanted puppies for their kids to play with, thats when the gene pool went to crap....IMO |
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« Reply #68 on: August 11, 2010, 12:39:11 pm » |
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Cutter I want to breed my best cur to your best hound!! Then we will have the best pups!!They will bark on track half the time and be silent the other half!!You can use them the day's they bark and I will use them the days there silent!!
Being you have been line breeding and I have been line breeding then they should be line breed pups!!You think we can sale some on the dog trade!!What do you think they would be worth!!OMG we just invented a super dog!!
If they can't stop a hog within the first 63 yards of where they jump it, you can blame it on the hound in them. However, if they trail more than 5 steps to find the hog, you have to give credit to the hound in them. Just saying. |
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« Reply #69 on: August 11, 2010, 12:53:56 pm » |
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line bredding -inbreeding what ever you call it. it works !!!!!
you have to own something worth line breeding before its gona work.
yes, if a guy wants good stock it takes alot of thinking and planning.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #70 on: August 11, 2010, 01:00:40 pm » |
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I wonder what kind of dogs we would all be hunting today if the ole men the pioneers of old/founders of breeds never gave it much thought back then and just bred dogs best to best never caring about heritage, genetics, gene pools are family blood?
Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
I don't know how much thought that they put into genetics back then but i do know that they culled like a mo fo! People couldn't afford to feed a dog, it had to earn its keep. That alone created some really good dogs. Then when the economy grew and it was fashionable to have a dog as a family pet and everyone wanted puppies for their kids to play with, thats when the gene pool went to crap....IMO Preach on sister!!! |
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« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2010, 01:11:37 pm » |
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" Breed tight and carry a big hammer" words from a breeder of fine catahoulas
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« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2010, 01:45:43 pm » |
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A few years back I read alot of material on linebreeding horses. An author "Robert Denmark" wrote a really good book I believe the title is " The King Ranch Horses". Robert Kleberg was trying to duplicate A horse named Ole Sorrel, Real good reading. But a little later I listened to a interview with Tio Kleberg, I believe Red Steagal was the interviewer. He recognized they were carrying it too far. That was when the ranch purchased Peppy San Badger, along with bloodlines of other top horses. I believe this goes to show whether its linebreeding or inbreeding, watched carefully can be a good thing. But the time for the outcross can always be expected. Also and I DON'T know this for sure, but always heard of the King ranch driving herds of bad horses off the ranch. Like I stated I don't know for sure, but it would make sense. Breeding horses in this fashion has always been a good debate and I'm sure it will be the same with dog breeders!
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« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2010, 02:03:55 pm » |
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A few years back I read alot of material on linebreeding horses. An author "Robert Denmark" wrote a really good book I believe the title is " The King Ranch Horses". Robert Kleberg was trying to duplicate A horse named Ole Sorrel, Real good reading. But a little later I listened to a interview with Tio Kleberg, I believe Red Steagal was the interviewer. He recognized they were carrying it too far. That was when the ranch purchased Peppy San Badger, along with bloodlines of other top horses. I believe this goes to show whether its linebreeding or inbreeding, watched carefully can be a good thing. But the time for the outcross can always be expected. Also and I DON'T know this for sure, but always heard of the King ranch driving herds of bad horses off the ranch. Like I stated I don't know for sure, but it would make sense. Breeding horses in this fashion has always been a good debate and I'm sure it will be the same with dog breeders!
yes they bred old sorrel get every way you could cross them ,i think Mr San Peppy was first that is peppy san badger sire |
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« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2010, 02:15:02 pm » |
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I bought mtn curs from a man in San Antonio. He also bred Thoroughbred race horses. He told me that horse breeding and dog breeding were different. He said that you could predict certain things when breeding horses but that it did not hold true for breeding dogs. If I remember correctly he was talking mainly about color at that time.
He did have some of the best mtn curs I hunted though.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2010, 02:23:00 pm » |
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in the horse and dogs i have raised, breeding for athletic ability and trainabilty just to name a few traits i was looking for, i havent seen much difference in the out come of line breeding in horses and dogs.
something i havent heard mentioned much is the trainer, the man at the reins or lead has alot to do with the out come of a dog or horse..
just my .02
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« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2010, 02:53:06 pm » |
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in the horse and dogs i have raised, breeding for athletic ability and trainabilty just to name a few traits i was looking for, i havent seen much difference in the out come of line breeding in horses and dogs.
something i havent heard mentioned much is the trainer, the man at the reins or lead has alot to do with the out come of a dog or horse..
just my .02
I have seen above average hog dogs go to another hog hunter/hunters and within 6 months the dog was pretty near a cull. I also saw someone who had a horse that gave him a lot of trouble and wouldn't move forward. This same guy got another horse that was a good hunting horse that started doing the exact same thing as his previous horse. I totally agree with your statement. |
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« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2010, 03:48:35 pm » |
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I agree and have seen the same thing with dogs getting better or worse with new handlers. However you dont train a bird dog to point a pit to be game or a hound to track its just in them from years of line breeding. A cur dog bred properly will hunt and hold bay for hrs, line breeding increases your odds of every avg dogs from the litter doing this well. If the trainer will stay out of the way and put them on hogs you shouldnt have to be a great handler. They need to know come, load up, and hopefully get ahead is in the dna. i cant wait until my father to daughter pup gets here!
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« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2010, 04:42:19 pm » |
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man I feel like a whooped dog after the line breeding comment I posted.  I guess alot of the guys feel as though it is ROCKET science. I guess I was raised wrong.  |
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« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2010, 04:48:53 pm » |
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I agree and have seen the same thing with dogs getting better or worse with new handlers. However you dont train a bird dog to point a pit to be game or a hound to track its just in them from years of line breeding. A cur dog bred properly will hunt and hold bay for hrs, line breeding increases your odds of every avg dogs from the litter doing this well. If the trainer will stay out of the way and put them on hogs you shouldnt have to be a great handler. They need to know come, load up, and hopefully get ahead is in the dna. i cant wait until my father to daughter pup gets here!
you are right there are some things you cant train, but a good handler can bring out the best in a dog. |
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