my pups

[waylon-N.E. OK]

The BMC with my catahoula was born Jan 10 if I remember correct and the catahoula is about a month older than him and his brother

[Dexter]

Craig
 some mighty fine yeller pups you have there
 
 lots of mighty fine dogs in the pictures
     Dexter

[craig]

thank you Mr Dexter ...

Bino
the pup in the first picture is about 8 or 9 weeks old,  the other pups are 11 and 13 weeks old

[cward]

these pups sure are good looking. are they line bred or just some really good parents?

Craig line breeds his dogs and so do I have been breeding dogs since 1991 and when I found Craig , Skoal , and Bigo on this site it gives me someone to out cross that is trying to get to the same point I am!!!I have a gyp Ellie that is 88% my blood it was time for an outcross and I breed to Bigo's dog bear!!! Then swaped Craig one of his pup for a pup out of that cross!! I kept 3 pups and have a plan if they turn out like I hope to breed them back to a line breed dog of mine!! If Craigs pup turns out witch is showing great promise I will cross him with my Robin Gyp witch is 76% my blood!!!! I cull hard and these guys do also there is no 100% litter but a high percentage turn out!! I look for a pro in all my dogs not colledge players and for sure not highschool player!!!Even though colledge player get to stay for something special about them could be they are really good on cows or just get a certain job done!!But them high school players just don't last around here!!

[skoalbandett]

A man gets backed in a corner sometimes breeding dogs and you have to look for the right kind of cross outside of your kennel at some point. Finding the right man and dog isn’t impossible but double tough to do. To find the right kind of proven dog from a proven line of current dogs that have men on the lead shank that are for real gets tougher and tougher today in my opinion. When it comes to  BMC dogs the only good lines of consistent dogs that I know of always seem to come from a very few  men who you can define from their history and make up. I have heard it called a culture they are part of and is part of their makeup.
That bear dog is proven, solid and comes from a long line of get it done dogs that came to our family 35 years ago.  He’s a product of a ½ brother x ½ sister breeding, even tighter than that on back. I have seen and been to the woods with his mama, daddy, grand mama, granddaddy, great grandmamma, great granddaddy and so on. Hunted several of his full blood brothers and sisters over the  years and was proud to have em. Still have 2 full blood sisters and one of them is the best gyp I ever went to the woods with.   But your right, once again we reached a point we needed some outside blood in our kennel to, the older line of dogs are awful tight and have been for several years now.  I was happy to breed Ellie and get some pups off her and Bear. First of all I think Chance has the right kind of dogs and the dogs have the right kind of man on the lead shank with a  history as well as a selection criteria I agree with. Him and Clue are rare birds out there today when it comes to BMC dogs in my opinon.
 I really hope some of them will work out. We’ll sure be hunting the hair off of the ones we brought home the next couple years to see.

[cward]

Oh and when we have a cull he don't leave hear!!We don't get soft hearted and try to pawn him off on someone else or try to get are money back out of him!! That in my opion is where all the junky dogs start and where alot of bad names get called about individules who do not have the heart to cull a true cull!! Cull hard and make sure those traits leave your gentics!!!

Yes craig I will atleast start Buck Wild on cows!!!

[waylon-N.E. OK]

If I mailed ya'll a 6 pack each would you keep talking cause I am learning and enjoying the info and opnions about yella dog breeding. I can listen all day long to folks who have proven they have the attitude and character to breed good dogs and will cull hard making no excuses when they fail. Good info guys

[DubbleRDawgs]

some really good looking pups yall have !!! waylon is that your breed of cat . or what is it out of  good looking pup... almost the color of T.D.H.A pup that we won turning out really well .. Thanks dexter

[waylon-N.E. OK]

The Catahoula pup is out of an old Red lep. male I raised & called  Cowboy and a blue lep. bitch from Travis & Nicloe Starr in Stillwell,Ok. My buddy Bill has her now ( The pups mom ) and I took the pup to kinda keep some part of Cowboy around. Travis has Cowboy now and is using him on cows which is what he always wanted to work anyway but he was the type that was bad to bite strangers and has a good number to. Ada the pup you asked about was to be my last Catahoula I was burnt out on them and was not finding what I liked so I made the switch to yella dogs they seem to suit me better but she is a keeper for sure. These 2 BMC pups from craig are way easier to handle and are super smart, my dad who has NEVER paid me a compliment on any dog I have ever owned EVER told me the other day... " I ain't ever been to high on most of your dogs :'( but I think them 2 are gonna be good dogs" Thats saying alot from my old man for sure he has a sixth sense about animals so they gotta be good'uns

[uglydog]

Craig if those pups work as good as they look, them you are doing something right.

[cward]

If I mailed ya'll a 6 pack each would you keep talking cause I am learning and enjoying the info and opnions about yella dog breeding. I can listen all day long to folks who have proven they have the attitude and character to breed good dogs and will cull hard making no excuses when they fail. Good info guys

Waylon if it was not for the Net I would have not found these guys!! My dogs might not fit everyone!!But they do have good gentics!!! They work great for me !!! I shorten the range on my dog and they do look for alittle direction because I use them all both ways (handle) It does slow them down because they don't want to make a mistake!!! But they look at a whole lot of hogs!!! But I did have a guy ask me about 6 months ago how long range will they go to find a hog I said not that far I would say if I hit a track  they will go with it all day but as for as hunting I Knocked that out of them by useing them both ways!! This man I respect and he has hunted a long time and worked lots of cattle he said I want to see what they will do without handle (Just straight hogs no cows) he has seen this blood of dog his whole life!!!  So I got 2 that I do not use on cows!! Mator out of Ike a line breed gyp that is 76% my blood and another male pup Named Motto Motto that is also out of Ike but 88% my blood!!  All I can say is you better not put them on the ground with just the Garmin you better have the Radio collars on them 2 they are fixing to hunt!!! Ike is my single best dog but he is lazy and don't range real far he is the last liveing son of my dog I started with in 1991 witch was line breed when I got him!!! Ike has produce more Pork than Walmart!!!!! He has produced some pretty nice pups also!! I have culled several off him that did not make my cut!! But produce some pretty nice pups!!All the best dogs that I ever owned were atleast half brothers or siters to Ike some way better than he is!!!

It does not matter if they are yellow, Cats, hounds, or UglyDogs !!!!! If you cull hard then you can only get better!! To me it would take 100 years of breeding to get a litter of a 100% Pro. dogs!!

And if there are breeders that say they do then why do they offer if he don't turn out than bring him back and I will give you another pup!! They would say ain't no need to bring him back because that pup is sure enough going to work no if ands buts about it bottom line!!!

When I give a pup away I ask for him not to be traded and if it don't make the cut to do away with it or bring it back to me to do so!!!!

One thing about Skoal- Bigo -and Craig you do not have to tell them guys that because you know they will handle the problem before I ever get that call to bring one back!!

[Bryant]

...but as for as hunting I Knocked that out of them by useing them both ways!! This man I respect and he has hunted a long time and worked lots of cattle he said I want to see what they will do without handle (Just straight hogs no cows)

Lots of people will argue and say that if a dog's bred with it, he/she is bred with it and handle (or the nature vs. nurture debate) won't affect the end product.  I strongly disagree.  It sounds like you have also proven this theory.  

Good looking pups by the way.

[Monteria]

...but as for as hunting I Knocked that out of them by useing them both ways!! This man I respect and he has hunted a long time and worked lots of cattle he said I want to see what they will do without handle (Just straight hogs no cows)

Lots of people will argue and say that if a dog's bred with it, he/she is bred with it and handle (or the nature vs. nurture debate) won't affect the end product.  I strongly disagree.  It sounds like you have also proven this theory. 

Unfortunately, that does not work in reverse order

Steve

[cward]

...but as for as hunting I Knocked that out of them by useing them both ways!! This man I respect and he has hunted a long time and worked lots of cattle he said I want to see what they will do without handle (Just straight hogs no cows)

Lots of people will argue and say that if a dog's bred with it, he/she is bred with it and handle (or the nature vs. nurture debate) won't affect the end product.  I strongly disagree.  It sounds like you have also proven this theory.  

Good looking pups by the way.

Bryant it is hard for my dogs to figure out what we are doing most days!!Because we hunt on horse and work cows on horse!!! They will find woods cows its really hard to explain how we do it but it happens!! A dog with the right amount of brain can sure figure it out!!But it does knock the range off one because of looking for that direction!! I do not want to feed 15 cow dogs and 15 hog dogs!! I might loose alittle by useing them both ways but I only have to feed 15 instead of 30!! I still can get the job done on both ends at the end of the day!! It is nice to throw a super hard hunting long range dog down and go find hogs these dogs of mine have produced several of those dogs!! My Jake dog I did not use on cows and he was the real deal hog dog he would get you in lots of trouble if you did not have enough land!!! When I turn pups loose on cows they hustle straight to them bay until I get there and then when I get ready to go I call them off and sure they want to keep working and some times I have to get rough with them to get them off!! But after a few times they start looking for that comand witch is looking for that direction!!!! Heck if you look in I post a an picture of an EMU I took Ike just if I needed him he would have done what I ask him even though he has never seen a turkey like that!!  His daddy Rambo would help me gather up baby game chicks in the brush people would just laugh he would catch them and bring them to me and never killed one but only on the days I ask him to!!He ran loose and never bothered them until I went to catch them!!!

[waylon-N.E. OK]

The dogs you describe Cward sound just like old time WORKING cur dogs. Thats the type of dog I strive for and will have on place. My personel like is a dog that doesn't range out like a hound but is short range, up here you might be looking for a few trouble hogs on 160 acres or 60,000 and a dog that flat blows out will get you in trouble or lost or worse. I also like a dog that is smart enough and willing enough to let me make the decisions when time allows or when i am present but can work equaly well when I am out of sight. My dogs will be 100% hog dogs but I want to know they have the brains to handle what ever job there given, I think i am headed in the right direction...Time will be my judge I guess

[craig]

crystal, thanks for the complement on the pups. i have high hopes for them.  

 as chance has mentioned if not for this website,the internet(thanks Al Gore J/K  ) and the modern world of communication we live in, none of us would even know there were other dogs like ours in the world.
  i have just been line breeding my dogs for 10 yrs, i have been hunting for 15.  once a guy finds what he likes and starts focusing on it and not straying off of your goal,  time will fly by, and you will be able to produce your own dogs to fit your style.  this is what i have done not because i wanted line bred dogs but mainly i could not find the type of dog i wanted in my local area.    i have raised enough pups over the years to keep myself and a few freinds in dogs.
i have some of my dogs placed with some guys that are going to use them and give them a good oppurtunity, and thats all a guy can ask for.

it's great to have guys like Chance Ward, skoalbandit, bigo  and Clue Anderson  keeping and maintaining quallity dogs for the rest of us to out cross on.

[skoalbandett]

Craig,, thats because we are all in the same boat.. Like I said, there comes a time when we are all forced to  look outside our line of dogs for a good outcross.. I reckon those of us who are trying to basically do the same things should get real particular where we look for those dogs.. Like kind from folks with like mind with a proven line of the right kind of dogs that suit us. That dont mean the cross will always work like you want it to but if it was easy Good un's would be everywhere and we'd could quit breeding and just buy pups and not do all this work to do what it takes to get there and then the hardest part comes...  keepin it going..For us, the list of folks I'd work with is real dang short. I have hunted with about every major line of these dogs that's out there and sadly.. 95% of em , outside of the occasional good dog, they fall way short in my opinon, it's become $$$ and a PR game with to many.

Chance just thank goodness you have dogs that you can choose to do either and/or both. That is breeding, brains and ability through years of proving them and selection... Your right, the more handle on these dogs the shorter you can make em if you so choose..The other side of that is, I  have found a lot of folks dont know how to get a cur dog to going  yonder and think that all cur dogs hunt short or they got a dud when in reality, it's their lack of knowledge and knowhow hindering that.   If  you walk hunt or road them, they will hunt short, which is the case with many types of dogs. We choose to hunt freecasting most of the time or if we see a good track we may set our dogs down on a track and yes sir they get gone, go yonder and don't check back in as often as some dogs do, especially if they smell hogs. But, We can shortin them up by doing the same things you do with yours or by some other method...With the right kind of dogs a man should have option. Granted.. with times they way they are and places gettin smaller there are times it would help if they didnt get gone..But the way we use ours I probably be kicking some butts if they didnt get gone and go find hogs some dang were and be bayed when we find em..lol  But   I just thank the good lord they have what it takes to be able to  do either, I am sure you feel the same way about that..
Tell me something Chance, how do these fellers breed and continue to breed such good dogs with 4, 5 and 6 diffrent breeds of dogs on their yards??

[craig]

yes sir, keeping it going is what seem to be the challange, i was lucky enough to start with some dogs that complimented each other and have continued to cross really well.    i have raised alot of pups and kept whole litters till a year old. that takes alot of time and $ to keep that many dogs but thats the only way i have found to make the best selection.    
     im working on % of blood on a particular dog from my line now and have about 6 yrs of breeding within my line to get the pups i have now that are 50% blood of that dog.(those are the pups waylon has and some of the pups in the pictures)  i always have a couple of different things going on in my breeding program to get dogs to fit individual jobs. and now i have the female from bear and ellie ,and a female from cowboy and smokey im raising to find an outcross that fits my dogs.  im looking forward to the next few years to see how that plays out for me.
   i have found its just like making cake you just keep changing small ingrediants along the way to hopefully get just what you want.  my problem is its just like my horses and cattle , im too picky and i keep crossing hoping to get that one that really stands out, and i have gotten a few of those but i always think it could be better.

[BIG BEN]

Keep going fella's, we are soaking it all in, good info!

[cward]

First off I want to make sure everyone understands I do not claim to be a super dog breeder!! I breed for me and could careless what everyone else thinks!!! But we all want to see are dogs make super dogs!! When you talk to any of these guys that are breeding like me they are thinking of the future so they don't loose what they got and maybe add alittle to their dogs!! When we are crossing in each others dogs we take a chance on looseing something we worked hard to keep but it has to be done and I could not think of better more knowledgeable guys to cross dogs with because in the end we are after the same goal!!! I could go BUY 5  finished dog for $5000 apiece and come out ahead VS what I got in breeding dogs!!!! I try to breed atleast 3 litters a year and would love to keep all of them because you don't know if you are giveing that super dog away that you worked so hard to get!!

Even though I beleave in breeding dogs I will say its not for everyone it takes lots of time and lots of want to to get it done!!!

I set back years ago and one of the guys I Idiollized as a kid would preach to me about breeding and gentics when I got my own dogs from him my head got big because I had a good set off dogs and would go smoke just about anybody that had dogs!! I started makeing crosses like Plott over cur -Mt cur over cur - just about any hound over cur  I had around 40 dogs I hunted everyday there were times that I would leave my horse saddled and feed him in the trailer!! I was selling hogs and makeing a liveing doing it averageing $1300 aweek plus breaking colts for people!!!! I had the best set of dogs you ever seen!! This man came to my house to visit when he would come visit he would stay all day and talk dogs - horses- and cows!!! My house was open to him at all times we were close!!!He showed up and walked around my yard you could tell he was ready to kill me he did not say nothing and said he had to go my wife ask what was wrong with him I said don't know but I caught the tension he put off!! So I called him that night and ask what he was pissed about all he said was what in the hell are you doing over there!! He ask me what are the best dogs on your place I said the one that came from him that were line breed!! He got on me pretty hard and he was right all them crosses I made with the hounds I was not getting but one  or two that were decent and the linebreed dogs were smokeing them!!! That became the cold hardest day of my life I went from 40 to seven in about an hour!! That is when I stuck to a plain and it has worked ever since for me!!! I like what I got and maybe my kids can keep them going for years to come!!! Even if we loose all our rights they will keep one of these yeller dog to kick in the arse!!