dogo vs pit

[make-em-squeel]

i've seen a pit cur out on a 150lbs sow that had some fight(my bluetick ended up catching it), i've only hunted behind ushog's dogo's and they have never quit ON ANY SIZE hog. there are good and bad in all breeds. it's simply personal preference and how much money you want to spend. it is also who you get the dogs from.

hunt what works for you. i have a dogo now i love her, easy to walk in the woods, minds real well and catches like she is supposed to. there are many pits that do the same. i love both breeds, i just wanted a dogo so i got one.

x2 well said

[Scott]

"What is there to agree about? Its a fact the pit is an older dog than the AB and the Ab is much older than the dogo. Catching a hog in a pen was part of the AB's original requirement to get papered, this was changed before any of us in America even knew what a dogo was."  


Can you show me where that requirement was that the AB catch a hog in a pen to be registered? That's news to me. The AB was first registered around 1970 by the NKC. The Dogo was registered by the FCA in 1964 and by the FCI in 1973. There are many differences in phenotype and temperament in the "breed" American Bulldog due the "vision" of various breeders over the past 40 years. The Johnson dogs are very different from the Performance dogs (Koura, LeClerc, Lichtardt, etc) and both are different from the Painter/Scott type. And then you have the "hybrids". There is a wide variety of strains of AB other than the three mentioned above. The truth is, that when looking at the entire breed...it's still very much a work in progress. So, it is very much a debatable point that the "AB is much older than the Dogo"...

[ETHHunters]

I guess you could say I have limited expereince with pitbulls. I have been hoghunting with them for about 8 years and owned them as pets for about 12. I have NEVER had one that was aggresive or untrustworthy. And as far as them not being intellegent that is a huge misconception. They are very smart and easy to train for anything not just as a catchdog.

[TieEmUpOrLeaveEm]

I dont like the short game breed pits,

That is a misconception,most game bred dogs are not short and or squatty....the blue/hippo/pet junk maybe but the old,good game dogs typically have plenty of leg some look just like you Buck dog.

Like I said. I dont like the SHORT GAME BREED DOGS. And thats is not a misconception (where I live) Most of the gamebreed in this area is short, small frame fighting dogs. Not my thing not my style. I cull catch dogs just as hard as I do baydogs. Like I said JMO

[ppc dogos]

Ofcourse some dogos are not healthy, like in any other breed there is a lot of breeders who do not give a sh...and breed what ever they have in their yard. Unfortunately.

A good dogo would be able to run up a boar on the break, seen it several times with my own eyes. A good dogo would track, find and catch a boar. But there are A LOT of breeders of the dogo who have a lot of words in their mouth, instead of proving. So watch out.

Marvin Garrett, is the man with most experience hunting with dogos here imo. Contact him and you will hear what his experiences are with the breed.

Birgitte

[ETHHunters]

A good dogo would be able to run up a boar on the break, seen it several times with my own eyes. A good dogo would track, find and catch a boar.



Birgitte

This is what I expect out of a good pit catchdog.

[bayed up]

I think Ultimately its whatever u like and want to feed, with that being said I like a good hard mouth 50 to 65 lb leggy pit.   All of my pits can ride in the box with the baydogs and don't fight which is a must.   I also have a really good Ab and had a good dogo(RIP).    They all are good dogs with the right breeding and proper training.  I think pits sometimes get a bad wrap though. just my 2 cents lol     

[HIGHWATER KENNELS]

run out of air 1/2 mile from you ? i dont know what kind of pit you got but that is sad

I will guarantee you that any pit after it misses a catch in the middle of one of these cutovers I am in, it will not keep up with one of these runner boars.  Heck, a plott hound cant keep up with em and he aint runnin with a cut vest on.   A pit with a catch vest will get tangled up and I promise you that hog will out run him in a matter of a  half mile. If it was in a open terrain then I would agree that a pit wouldnt wind and be able to flat run and keep up but it just dont happen in these cuss catt thickets.....

[raider54]

The pit has been line bred to do one thing for a long time that makes it catch on easy to hog hunting as we typically use them as a cd. The dogo is a relatively new breed compared to a pit or ab and was not bred to be a catch dog originally they were bred to hunt and be catchy like some curs but not like a pit. Over the next 20 yrs or so more people will water down the dogo breed for show and others like us will turn them into a basic pit type catch dog with better lungs and anchoring weight in general. I really like both breeds but lean towards my dogo;s however i think you will find more dogo culls now b/c it is such a young breed, your comparing apples to oranges , but if you want a good dogo send me a pm and get on the waiting list  

hey Grant how do I get on your waiting list?

[raider54]

dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit.

In relation to the APBT yes, I agree. In relation to the AB...not so much.

As far as the Dogo breeders go, I'd want to know quite a few things before I'd put my name on a waiting list. Things like:

1. How long have they been breeding Dogos
2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock
3. How many litters have they whelped
4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes
5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter)

and those are just 5 quick, off the top of my head. As with any working breed, don't believe any fantastic stories. If it sounds too good to be true....most often, it is.

Hey Scott, how many people do you think go through your check list when they are looking for a Pit CD? My guess would be not very many! Another thing about your AB comment I have a 14mth old AB/Dogo named Max that has caught over 200 hogs from shoats to 400 pounders and most of them by himself. He weighs between 130-140, I have yet to see him cull or be dragged off by a hog! For the record those waiting list dogs Grant is talking about will be 100% PPC Dogo blood and they will be out of Proven Catch Dogs.

[raider54]

I own a good dogo so I guess I can't chime in cause I am bias. However all this talk and speculation makes me want to just break this down Mythbusters style out in the woods and finally put this arguement to rest. anyone with a well bred pit out of solid A++ lines want to get in the woods and run him against my dogo let me know.  Of course due to the (individual dog being better than his breed standard and maybe not a good representation of said breed) arguement, it will not be determined by just one outing with 2 dogs but several outings with a variety of both pits and dogos.  maybe one day someone will organize an event and set this up with pit and dogo hunters and we will know for sure definitely which one is best for the typical East texas hog dogger. Until then everyone has their own likes and dislikes and styles but the way me and Grant hunt, dogos are the dogs for us.

Vinney, can I be on your team with Max?

[raider54]

In a perfect hog huntin world, where the hog bays and you are able to walk or ride to within 200 yards of the bay whether it be winter or summer, and the pits are sent in and they will seal the deal.  I have not had the opportunity to even hunt with a dogo yet, but i can tell you that I have seen many of times where I was NOT in a perfect situation and the boar hog broke before the catch dogs got there and guess what, well you end up with empty pockets cause the hog dont want to stop again and the pits run out of air a half a mile from you.  I believe then, a dog with the HUNT, STAMINA , and Nose to run with the strike dogs to catch up and stop that hog would probally put a smile on my face, instead of gettin the case of the RED A**.  Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to see if the DOGO breed walks  the walk in those situations and I will then have one of my own.....

run out of air 1/2 mile from you ? i dont know what kind of pit you got but that is sad

Lets not act like pits dont wind easy and over heat. we have a bunch of pits but this is definately a short fall

[raider54]

yea well i seen a 70 lb sow shake 2 full grown 100 lb dogos off and slip off into the night and the dogos could not find the hog again

sounds like a hater to me

[raider54]

I guess you could say I have limited expereince with pitbulls. I have been hoghunting with them for about 8 years and owned them as pets for about 12. I have NEVER had one that was aggresive or untrustworthy. And as far as them not being intellegent that is a huge misconception. They are very smart and easy to train for anything not just as a catchdog.

PPC'S comment was not that the Pits are un-intelligent! He said the Dogo's were prefered by many because of thier level of intelligence.

[cantexduck]

500 or more does not make sense to me or most other hunters for a catch dog puppy.  If breeders are ut to make better dogs then why charge that much for  pup?

[Scott]

dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit.

In relation to the APBT yes, I agree. In relation to the AB...not so much.

As far as the Dogo breeders go, I'd want to know quite a few things before I'd put my name on a waiting list. Things like:

1. How long have they been breeding Dogos
2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock
3. How many litters have they whelped
4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes
5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter)

and those are just 5 quick, off the top of my head. As with any working breed, don't believe any fantastic stories. If it sounds too good to be true....most often, it is.

Hey Scott, how many people do you think go through your check list when they are looking for a Pit CD? My guess would be not very many! Another thing about your AB comment I have a 14mth old AB/Dogo named Max that has caught over 200 hogs from shoats to 400 pounders and most of them by himself. He weighs between 130-140, I have yet to see him cull or be dragged off by a hog! For the record those waiting list dogs Grant is talking about will be 100% PPC Dogo blood and they will be out of Proven Catch Dogs.

I don't know how many would go through that list for an APBT, but I would...for any breed/pup/dog that I was interested in.

Not sure which AB comment you are referring to? But, it sounds like you have a pretty good dog there.

And since you are recommending PPC Dogos....here's an example of what I'm referring to regarding the aforementioned questions. Here's a quote from PPC Dogos from another board:

"we have selected very hard on temperament and health in 20 years, we send 25 dogs out to hunters, and NOT one of them failed or had to be culled."

IMO, there's quite a few questions that arise from that statement....

[USHOG]

500 or more does not make sense to me or most other hunters for a catch dog puppy.  If breeders are ut to make better dogs then why charge that much for  pup?

It is very expensive to import dogos to this country much less the time and energy it takes to find the ones you want. I could never charge what I payed for my Dogos to other people but I also know what I have and am not going to just allow anyone to have them.

I would say you are getting a good deal for that price on a pup if it is from a good line. A finished dogo sells for  $3000 + around here. I understand that some think that is a lot of money but that is a drop in the bucket for what I have seen bay pen dogs sell for. $125,000 for a dog that doesn't hunt. Now that is expensive

Dogos are not for everyone that is for sure.

[ppc dogos]

Ushog, that is a fine bunch of Dogos you got!
What lines are behind your dogs?

Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can.

B

[USHOG]

pm sent

[Scott]

Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can.

B

I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are:

1. How long have they been breeding Dogos
2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock
3. How many litters have they whelped
4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes
5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter)