dogo vs pit

[ppc dogos]

1. How long have they been breeding Dogos - since 1991.

2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock:  yes, under the limited possibilities we have here in Europe ( the dogo is not allowed to hunt with in EU countries here), therefore we also value a lot the feedback we get from the hunters who work the dogs they get from us. These are hunters in Sweden, Korea, Usa, and South Africa.

3. How many litters have they whelped - I joined with Peter in 1999 and in these 11 years we made 24 litters.
 
4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes -
in those 11 years around 170 pups: we kept ourselves 14, 6 is with other hunters, 18 with breeders.
We send our first dogo to a hunter in 2005, Recado to Marvin Garrett, so out of the litters from 2005-2010, 25 left to boar hunters.
Back in 1994 Peter started testing his dogs.
5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter):
can not say, since there are many who are not hunted or tested on a boar, the rest of the dogs are living as family members, with people who work them in obedience, tracking, sweiss, rescuework.
But I can say as I did before, all the dogs we selected for the hunters are working as the owner want him to, and the ones we tested ourselves and hunted ourselves are very well functionning.
We have 5 generations of our blood in our kennel, we had most of the dogs in the pedigree in our hands, we know our dogs in and out.

[make-em-squeel]

Besides the fact that they guaranteed me the dog, everything they said was completely true about her not just her catching, but everthing. They really know their dogs and there reputation is as good as it is b/c they simply stand behind there word. Every ppc dogo i have seen from them catches and likes to work. Proof is in the pudding. They lost $ off the dog they got to me and did it just so she would have the chance to come to a working home, I have the upmost respect for people like that, we seem to be putting them under a microscope b/c of the price it costs them to get a dog into the states, imagine if the shoes were reversed.

Bridgitte and Peter yall need to move down here to Tx or La. and put an end to this crap before the USA is as socialized as europe and there will be no more hunting.

And Scott muleman can give you all the facts about how an ab used to have to catch a pig in an arena and do severel other working traits before it got papered, I saw it on the i-net as well but dont care enough to take the time to look it up again, it was cool though it got out lawed in the 60's I believe but ask him he has to know that stuff for his job.

[Scott]

Thanks Birgitte. You see, with that kind of information, anyone who is interested in your dogs now has some basic foundational knowledge of your breeding program.

And Scott muleman can give you all the facts about how an ab used to have to catch a pig in an arena and do severel other working traits before it got papered, I saw it on the i-net as well but dont care enough to take the time to look it up again, it was cool though it got out lawed in the 60's I believe but ask him he has to know that stuff for his job.

Please don't take this a a slight. But, why would I want to speak to muleman when I can speak (have spoken) to Alan Scott or Joe Painter. Alan, along with John D. Johnson were the gentlemen who first registered the breed. Joe Painter was also heavily involved with the dogs back then. They were first registered as American Pit Bulldogs. Joe was the one that suggested the name change to American Bulldog so as to avoid confusion with the APBT. Catch comps were outlawed just within the past 5-6 years.

[ppc dogos]

Maybe a bit off topic, but thought I would share some fotos from the dogs who are working in South Africa. They are owned by a professional big game hunter and breeder of big game hounds for more than 40 years. He is a living legend. We have send 3 dogos to him. I must say, that working together with this guy, has given us tons of valuable informations. It is the most interesting project we ever participated in. We are joining him hunting in march, will be great to see the dogs working.

Here are some fotos from him, I am very impressed about his hounds. He also has a pack of blue ticks in northern USA for mountain lion hunting, in feb and march he was hunting for a month in the states.

[make-em-squeel]

wow that is aweaome! I wish i could make that trip, Do they catch those cats? Or just put the added pressure necessarry to get them up a tree? Very cool...Thanks for sharing

Is that where Galen is? If I remember right my pups dad is in africa.

[ppc dogos]

The dogos work on the leopard/lion hunts is to put pressure on the cats and to avoid danger to the hunters, meaning going in situations where the cat jump.
The foto where you see Zodiac had a battle, she took the leopard in one of those situations, that day Theunis said, she earned her food for the rest of her life.

Galan is here with us, but Zodiac is a half sister to your dog, Galan is her father too.

One of the other females he has is also half sister to your dog, same mother.

[Tomball Dogos]

I have both and I will say it is hard to beat a good pit but I dont to worry about my dogo with other dogs  my pit will not start a fight but good luck getting him off if  happens and dont worry about my dogo over heating like a pit I have seen big hogs drag my pit thru the woods never with my dogo I like dogos alot better that just me

[leonriverboy]

A few months ago a buddy and me had a 300 lb boar bayed he had two mature dogos that were running with the pack and I was leading my 100 lb. Pit Duce.  When we got to the bay the dogos went in and both got their a$$e$ kicked off.  They actually ran pasted us looking for the tall grass.  Well I turned the man loose and like always he downed that big boar on seconds.  I have seen the dogos catch some big hogs but I've also seen them quit.  Duce my pit has never quit, never been whipped and the only thing a hog does when he gets a hold of him is squeel.    No dog or human agression minds perfect and don't even have to use a lead.  Dogo vs pit give me a good pit any day!!!!!!!!!

[Mike]

It's kinda like Ford vs Chevy... it's whatever you like to drive. There's good ones, great ones and pure junk in both breeds.

Here's my take and experience on dogos, i've had the pleasure/displeasure to hunt with quite a few them. People started seeing $$$ on the puppy sales and it all went downhill from there. Then you had a bunch of culls being passed around and bred... producing more culls. For example, dogs that won't catch, hearing problems, severe skin problems, etc... But these dogs weren't culled, just passed around and the cycle continued. Why? Cause they're dogos...$$$. Fast forward to now, you see a bunch of dogos running around, that ain't all dogo... a few snakes in the wood pile along the way.

[FireWater]

"ppc dogos" thanks for the photo's that is bad a**....

[raider54]

Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can.

B

I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are:

1. How long have they been breeding Dogos
2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock
3. How many litters have they whelped
4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes
5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter)

Im gonna say this again! do you go through that checklist when you are buying a pit C/D? I am sure there are a few Pit breeders out there that have kept up with those stats you mentioned but I am quite sure when someone needs a CD in general they put out the word they need a CD then they buy it by word of mouth or they try the dog out. If you have a Pit breeder that has a data base to answer all your criteria then you will be hard pressed to find a finished CD that meets all your demands for under $1000 now you are right back to whats going on with the dogos.

[chopper]

500 or more does not make sense to me or most other hunters for a catch dog puppy.  If breeders are ut to make better dogs then why charge that much for  pup?

It is very expensive to import dogos to this country much less the time and energy it takes to find the ones you want. I could never charge what I payed for my Dogos to other people but I also know what I have and am not going to just allow anyone to have them.

I would say you are getting a good deal for that price on a pup if it is from a good line. A finished dogo sells for  $3000 + around here. I understand that some think that is a lot of money but that is a drop in the bucket for what I have seen bay pen dogs sell for. $125,000 for a dog that doesn't hunt. Now that is expensive

Dogos are not for everyone that is for sure.

3000 for a cd wow thats crazy sounds lile dogos are forpeople with alot of money so they can say these dogs are way better than pits but you rednecks will never know because you cant afford them come on buffy lets go to africa on safari, also sounds like they have alot of problems for a dog that costs so much i think ill stick witth a plain ol pitbull

[ppc dogos]

  I can not see anywhere I said Dogos are better than pits! In fact I said that the only thing in different as a pure catch dog is the weight.
I totally agree with the person who said that there is a lot of S..around, Dogos who do not catch is not a dogo, simple and clear.

I also think that it is a much better change to get a good catchdog if you choose to buy a average pit than a average dogo, if you want to have a good dogo you need to do a lot more research. There is way to many breeders who breed for exteriour only.

B

[Scott]

Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can.

B

I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are:

1. How long have they been breeding Dogos
2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock
3. How many litters have they whelped
4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes
5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter)

Im gonna say this again! do you go through that checklist when you are buying a pit C/D? I am sure there are a few Pit breeders out there that have kept up with those stats you mentioned but I am quite sure when someone needs a CD in general they put out the word they need a CD then they buy it by word of mouth or they try the dog out. If you have a Pit breeder that has a data base to answer all your criteria then you will be hard pressed to find a finished CD that meets all your demands for under $1000 now you are right back to whats going on with the dogos.

I already answered, but I'll say it again as well. Yes, I do. The old dogmen I deal with when I want or need an APBT can give you more information about each individual dog they own/breed spanning multiple decades. What's more, they are very selective on who they allow own a pup/dog of theirs. And, no, if you can get a dog from them...you aren't going to spend that kind of coin.

Do I think that the majority of hunters would ask those questions regarding any dog/pup they are interested in? Not in a chance.

Either way, I think prudent to ask questions before you spend your hard earned money.

[TX HOG]

This is my dogo pup from Joe. She hasn't had any health problems and hated a hog a couple minutes after she saw her first one. That's as far as my experience goes with dogos. And no. She doesn't stay inside.  

I've had pits that were pure athletes and ones that just looked like they were.

[KevinO.]

I see it posted all the time about a hog not walking or dragging a dogo around in the woods and I kinda shake my head each time.  I typically hunt a couple of curs and one lead in catch dog, that dog just happens to be a dogo right now.  I've hunted both and owned both pits and dogos but I'm here to tell you a full grown boar hog (250lbs) can drag one dogo all over the place.  It doesn't matter how he catches, ear, snout, jaw, front leg, straddles the hog, pulls on the ear, shakes or stands put.....it's going to drag that dog around.  Now I don't think he's going to run off with a dogo hanging on his ear like he may with a 40lb pit but that pit will still be locked, if he's a good one, until the end just like a good dogo should be. 

But to say a hog can't drag a dogo around is bull honkey.  On the other hand two good dogos can probably secure most any hog if they catch and hold, just like two bulldogs should be able to.

Just my opinion.  I like the dogo but they aren't for everyone and they aren't the perfect cure all catch dog. 

[Mike]

I see it posted all the time about a hog not walking or dragging a dogo around in the woods and I kinda shake my head each time.  I typically hunt a couple of curs and one lead in catch dog, that dog just happens to be a dogo right now.  I've hunted both and owned both pits and dogos but I'm here to tell you a full grown boar hog (250lbs) can drag one dogo all over the place.  It doesn't matter how he catches, ear, snout, jaw, front leg, straddles the hog, pulls on the ear, shakes or stands put.....it's going to drag that dog around.  Now I don't think he's going to run off with a dogo hanging on his ear like he may with a 40lb pit but that pit will still be locked, if he's a good one, until the end just like a good dogo should be.  

But to say a hog can't drag a dogo around is bull honkey.  On the other hand two good dogos can probably secure most any hog if they catch and hold, just like two bulldogs should be able to.

Just my opinion.  I like the dogo but they aren't for everyone and they aren't the perfect cure all catch dog.  

 

Kevin, you hit the nail on the head! A dog is no match for a hog. A good, rank boar will have it's way with any catchdog... period. You just better hope your dog can hang on for the ride. Sure, there's a bunch of hogs that will stand there and take it... but there's a bunch that won't.

[3-Bdogs]

kevin thanks for clearin that but one thing i have been wondering is how much do dogo weight on a average cause i hear ppl talkin about pits weightin like 30 to 40 pounds and i must say y'all have tiny dogs i raise pits and can't say i have raised one that light i do know there are some out there that small but just curious on how much a average dogo weighs ?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

kevin thanks for clearin that but one thing i have been wondering is how much do dogo weight on a average cause i hear ppl talkin about pits weightin like 30 to 40 pounds and i must say y'all have tiny dogs i raise pits and can't say i have raised one that light i do know there are some out there that small but just curious on how much a average dogo weighs ?

The pits I have had (limited #) weighed 60-75#'s.  I think a good mature male dogo will go 110# on average.  If I am not mistaken, they are along the same lines size wise of most American bulldogs.

[3-Bdogs]

cutter bay that's my average weight on my pits to but have had a few go 90 and know one that ways 120 right now of course he is a little heavy but would not call him obese