your opinions of why we cross the way we do...

[duece24]

i looking through some of the for sale ads(i seeing pics of hog dogs) and it kinda crossed my mind that i see a lot of crosses off of cats to catch dogs(cat/ab, cat/dogo, cat/pit, ect), but on the other hand the only other cur dog cross that i see a decent amount of is bmc/pit. i know there are other crosses out there(lacy/dogo comes to mind), but you don't see it a lot. you see a lot of the cat to catchdog crosses..why is that?

i have a dogo/bmc that is a pretty good dog, decent speed, winds really well, could have better stamina, will catch small hogs. she is damn good looking dog as well...just would like your opinions on why we seem to cross cats to catchdog breeds more than other cur dogs to the catchdog breeds...just a discussion starter....

[Reuben]

From what I've seen of the catahoula's, the majority are very good bay dogs with good size so it makes sense to me as to why a lot hog hunters make this cross.

Personally, If I were to make a cross for more catch in my strike dogs I would use a larger line of hard hunting mtn curs with a longer legged type of pit bull and breed down to 1/4 pit bull. The well bred mtn curs have a lot of grit, hunt and nose so this should make a good cross. Like any outcross, the trick is to pick the right pups because there will be a lot of variation in any outcross.

[leonriverboy]

Tha best cd I ever owned was a 50 lb cat x pit.  The cat adds wind, bottom, nose and handle. If you notice the cats are the grittiest of all the curs.  That is why.

[sfboarbuster]

Tha best cd I ever owned was a 50 lb cat x pit.  The cat adds wind, bottom, nose and handle. If you notice the cats are the grittiest of all the curs.  That is why.

If they are the grittiest of all the curs then why are you adding bull blood to them?
For RCD's?

[duece24]

i think i've heard of more bmc's that are rough than cats that are..understand i'm neither a cat nor a bmc guy..i'm just a hog dog guy..lol. i think your bmc's can add a lot of the same traits as a cat..just seems that people are more willing to put a cat over a catchdog than a bmc, just seems odd...

leonriver i think you make some really good points..i just think that bmc's are just as rough and add many of the same traits...scf i think being gritty is just more of a willingness to lay teeth, whereas rough is getting in there and latching on to an ear. i think it is safe to say that most of our bay dogs have a willingness to lay teeth to stop or spin a hog, but not a lot have that desire to get in there and latch on to an ear and go for a ride..lol...i know my pure bmc will lay teeth but she dang sure will not grab an ear, even after teh catchdog hits...now my bmc/dogo she will lay teeth AND she will latch on to an ear if the mood strikes her..lol..and she normally catches soon as the catchdog gets there...

[cantexduck]

 I dont know anything about dog breeding but I think WAY TOO many people put too much stock in breeds instead of the dog itself. And 90% of people prolly shouldnt be breeding to begin with. But hey, it sounds cool to have a breeding "program".

[leonriverboy]

The bull adds a lock down mouth most 100% curs will not break stick lock down on the catch.  You can use this cross as rcds and lead in cds.  This cross really works.  I'm a bmc man and my next cross is going to be a ybmc x pit.  This will produce all kinds of catch dogs.  Generally the cats are rougher than bmcs.

[duece24]

makes plenty of sense...why bmc/pit...why not bmc/dogo or bmc/ab...people will put a cat with a catchdog in a new york min..but are very reserved when using their bmc's why is that?

cantex you are right many people have no business breeding dogs..but sometimes those novices produce some of the best dogs...lol

[uglydog]

I think alot of them are acidents, OOOOPs! catch dog got with the strike dog........and then U say "I meant to do that", atleast last time it happend to me, I did !

Seriously, I usually keep something from those accidents, just to see what they turn up as, and have been fortunate! I also believe my good fortune, helps that the dogs on the yard that got together are always good dogs in their own right, if I don't keep junk from the start, well then when the accidents happen, they atleast have the genetics to be good.

[jesse]

i cross a 1/2 bmc 1/2 cat to a full plott and man is he tuff long legs good nose and lots of drive he will get out and find one and stay with it all night if i let him

[Reuben]

To me the ultimate catch dog is the APBT. There are many variations in this breed. You can find a style you like in this breed and stick with it. A friend of mine once told me that any time you cross some breed in to the pit that you are watering down the Pit bull.

I have seen lots of curs that are very gritty that are killed before a year old but they only lacked in jaw power. The ones that make it have a certain amount of luck on their side and they finally learn to protect themselves.

If you use this RCD it needs to be fully vested because it is not if but when will it be killed. If the strike dogs are gritty, the RCD's will put more fight in the pack and this will get more dogs injured. You will probably catch more pigs as long as the dogs are healthy... Strictly my opinions.

[Purebreedcolt]

I can't say I agree cats are the grittiest but then again a lot of older line cats do have a blocky head and not saying a that is everything but it does help will agree mtn curs are allfull rough

[cward]

Well Years ago a friend of mine had a 3/4 pit 1/4 cat give to him we have breed that dog back to  pit and back to pit to where there is no cat left in them but the lepoard coloring stays on the pups!!

I have been hunting along time and thank god I have never had to make any of those cross's to try and find a super dog to fit me!!
I think alot of people start out with a plain to try and get just the right amout of dog in them that they want!! What I have seen over the years of makeing these cross's they are never acruate some pups catch some are just hide pullers some are loose!!

I agree with Ugly Dog  I think most are mistake breedings!!!!

There is no way I would ever tie one of my good cur dog Gyps up to a dang bull dog!! If there was a mistake I asure you the pups would NEVER make it to the dog trade!!!

If I am going to breed a catch dog I will go with something as solid as the Bitch !! AB X AB - Pit X Pit - Dogo X Dogo  or Catch X Catch!!
Never Strike X Catch !!!

They have 2 differnt jobs!!

When I am breeding catch dogs I will look for lung - speed- handle before I look for catch!! Because when I make a catch dog cross I know for a fact they will catch I just need to add lung-Speed -handle to it!!

Useing a catch dog now that I have been useing all summer in daylight hours that does not get hot and can go for hours with out warter!! Loveing him!! He is one we breed!! He has probally caught 40 hogs this summer all during the heat of the day!!

I also look for a dog that does not pant much always got his tung in his mouth!!

Then some people don't have the heart to do away with a mistake cross!! So they end up on the dog trade and if that don't work then they end up at Walmart usally there wife and she is telly everyone they are out of hog dogs!! When I here it just makes me want to get the whole litter and do something no one else had the heart to do!!! The subdivion down the road from me is full of them most have mange and the other just roam free!! I think I know a few Boys that pick them up out of that Subdivion at around a year old and start them in a pen then post them on the dog trade here!! Just can't figure out where they get all these dogs from they always got them forsale and I never see them hunt!!  Finished Dogs if you know what I mean!!

[bignasty]

alot of crosses are folks trying to reproduce a dog they once had or produce one like so and so had.
i like 3/4 cat 1/4 bulldog . the cats have more get gone then other curs i have had and blend well with bulldog blood

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

Im going to do soming here that might get me kicked of this board but some people need to know what Cward is talking about. Here is the best female BMC that I have ever raised. I can run her on cattle or hogs. She has more heart and drive than any dog I have. She got cut up like this because of a catchdog not doing his job. She is staight cur and she will lock down on a hog just like a catchdog. This is my goal to get dogs just like this one. She will bay a hog till you get there with a cathdog. But when the catchdog is turned lose she is gong in. By the way I dont own a catchdog but after this Im getting one.She did have a cut collar on.And like I said Cward knows what he is talking about and I have never met the man.

[chainrated]

We have a litter on the ground right now that are 1/2 cat  1/2 pit.. It's the first time I've made the cross and I can tell you why I did it, because I don't like running hogs..

[BA-IV]

Well Rocking P, if your made to take the pictures down then so be it, but it was probably a lesson learned on your part and the dogs part, and that kind of thing is part of the sport, and the pictures at least show you did your part and gave the dog the best kind of care possible, and nobody can deny you that...but as you said earlier, a dog that can handle on cows and hogs, and knows when to catch and when to bay, is just about what everyone is aiming for in a dog, brains and handle...they go hand in hand.

[wateverworks]

Check out the username, Wateverworks.  That is my boys username and I find that I agree with him, different terrain, vegitation, temperatures, etc all should play a role in how you choose wateverworks for you.  My son has grain fields available to hunt, need to find'em and shut'em down.  I've seen all sorts of dogs used to get this type of hunting done.  I like mountain curr x AB, cat x AB, probably because I've done it and it worked, these dogs could hunt and shut one down, we still carried an extra AB or two just for insurance.  I have had YBMC that could hunt and would catch as soon as I told them to catch, might be just enough time to leg one, I've had hound x ybmc that would only stop a hog and then only bay, when you got there you better catch her or she was leaving town to go find another.  The dogs my son has now they are'nt going anywhere, they will try to eat the dead hog as long as they can get to him.  Good topic though, enjoy reading what others are doing.

[Reuben]

Rockin P, If I were to cross something besides MTN CUR to my Gyp It would be to something related to your gyp. She looks good and the grit is there...

[cantexduck]

Chance, how can you breed out the cat? Won't it be there no matter what? Especially if you are line breeding that bulldog .  I might be thinking about someone else but didn't that bulldog blood come from your grandpa?