So let's get real about Dogos...

[Ladogos]

I agree on the "fighting" of the hog, I have never seen it and for that matter don't want to see it ever in my dogs. La Historia is a very green hunter and he will learn the difference. Some Dogo breeders throw that term around like they are proud of it when it is a detriment in the mind of most hunters ( could be a translation issue ). When I get to a caught hog that a Dogo has been holding for some time I would expect to break them off and find one single set of canine holes in the ear of that hog, no re-gripping minimal shaking.

X 2  I agree 100 percent.   

 Kinda like this






De'Angelo catches locks on and doesnt let go for $hit.  Even after the hog is dead he doesnt regrip shake or try to fight the hog.  These pictures were taken after the hog was dead and even took his vest off he was still locked on. 

And this was a hog in texas with Dig-Em-Down.  Same thing .



Not trying to argue. Just my preffered way for a dogo to catch and hold.   

[raider54]

Give me a little while and we'll run an all dogo pack Noah. I'll be back down there soon, and the dogs are biting at the bit to get on some pork. I'm glad Berrinche's brother is treating you well.

I have been running mine with a 5" cut collar only. They have gotten a couple of cuts and scrapes, but for the most part been unscathed. I don't know if it is the way they catch, but most of my dogos catch the face. I like that spot, from my limited experience, they seem to be able to avoid the tusks. Mostly the have gotten facial cuts and thats been it. I am probably going to start using vests or chest plates. But I have been more concerned with heat exhaustion. Any suggestions?

you know its funny you said yours like to catch on the face! My big Max dog catches on the face 90% of the time and after about 250-300 catches had yet to be cut until he one outed about a 200 lb Boar the other night. We were going back to the truck with some cut up dogs and I decided to let Max run loose back to the truck (no vest) when he winded one and was gone about 400 yds and was caught by himself, he had this one by the ear. Most of the time it is right across the snout. He is about 130 lbs AB/Dogo. That face catchin must be the Dogo

[raider54]

It's odd to me that the point keeps being brought up that dogos "fight" the hogs. From my experience the are the exact opposite. They don't fight the hog they hit hold and closetheir eyes. No shaking ripping or tearing. The bulldogs I've walkEd behind they hit then begin shaking pulling tearing. Even my young dogo will hit and she is then she is just caught. There isn't any fighting of the hog at least from the ones I've been behind.

My AB/Dogo's dont fight a hog either, they catch and hold, Make um squeel, and DFW Hog hunters PPC Dogos neither of them fight they catch and hold. I like it that way

[aladatrot]

The only really sad thing I see about dogos is that from what I hear the show dog people don't really test their dogs. I have heard of and seen some show ring champions being hunted, but with the relative low cost and ease of semen storing I would like to see some sure enough Westminster dogs in the woods catching. It is the same old story with every breed, but seems like as small of a breed as dogos are at this point someone could spark an interest in actually hunting those show dogs. That way there may be a division in hunt or catch, but not so much a division in hunt or show. I believe hunting dogs need to be shown to those judges for the sake of breed preservation. A dogo with no hunt is not a dogo to me.

Off my soapbox now.

Cheers
M

[make-em-squeel]

The other HOT night with hoghunterdfw we turned my fairly green year old dogo to a bay from 60 yards out to hear it break shortly after, ended up treed on the garmin just over 400 yds and 25 min later she was calmly caught on a 120lb sow, no thrashing etc hog was in good shape and didnt even squeel until she saw me and the back up coming   I was a proud papa! She laid in a puddle for about 5 min and was recovered from the heat quickly. Thats getting real about dogos and why i am glad i spent the money for a PPC dogo.    Many bulldogs would have had a heat stroke much less have been able to catch another boar 20 min later.

[Crib]

It's odd to me that the point keeps being brought up that dogos "fight" the hogs. From my experience the are the exact opposite. They don't fight the hog they hit hold and closetheir eyes. No shaking ripping or tearing. The bulldogs I've walkEd behind they hit then begin shaking pulling tearing. Even my young dogo will hit and she is then she is just caught. There isn't any fighting of the hog at least from the ones I've been behind.

My AB/Dogo's dont fight a hog either, they catch and hold, Make um squeel, and DFW Hog hunters PPC Dogos neither of them fight they catch and hold. I like it that way

Could be the bulldog adding that trait. Remember, if the desired behavior for hunting puma is the way La historia desribed, then dogos with that predisposition could pop up in any of them. If your using AB/dogo crosses and bulldogs are/have been historically bred to seize and hold you really shouldnt be looking to credit the dogo side. You'd be doing that just b/c you like dogos. Thats not fair to the bulldogs, dogos or this debate.

[raider54]

It's odd to me that the point keeps being brought up that dogos "fight" the hogs. From my experience the are the exact opposite. They don't fight the hog they hit hold and closetheir eyes. No shaking ripping or tearing. The bulldogs I've walkEd behind they hit then begin shaking pulling tearing. Even my young dogo will hit and she is then she is just caught. There isn't any fighting of the hog at least from the ones I've been behind.

My AB/Dogo's dont fight a hog either, they catch and hold, Make um squeel, and DFW Hog hunters PPC Dogos neither of them fight they catch and hold. I like it that way

Could be the bulldog adding that trait. Remember, if the desired behavior for hunting puma is the way La historia desribed, then dogos with that predisposition could pop up in any of them. If your using AB/dogo crosses and bulldogs are/have been historically bred to seize and hold you really shouldnt be looking to credit the dogo side. You'd be doing that just b/c you like dogos. Thats not fair to the bulldogs, dogos or this debate.

Crib, I would say you make a good point but The three other dogs outside of mine are ALL REG. DOGO's (Not Crosses) so credit goes to the Dogo!

[dub]

She wants the hog it is just not letting her get whipped too hard. It is less training and more holding her back for the right opportunity. The breeding came from uglydog. I am not sure what she used. All I know is that she is half American Bull I believe from an old line, and half Dogo. I love her personality and hope she becomes a great dog. But if she decides not to hunt even my wife said she has a place in our house. But she shows lots of desire and really wants to get a hog. But if you want to know more about her uglydog would know much better than me.

Oops, I messed up Star is from Bryant. He is here on East Texas too.

[Crib]

It's odd to me that the point keeps being brought up that dogos "fight" the hogs. From my experience the are the exact opposite. They don't fight the hog they hit hold and closetheir eyes. No shaking ripping or tearing. The bulldogs I've walkEd behind they hit then begin shaking pulling tearing. Even my young dogo will hit and she is then she is just caught. There isn't any fighting of the hog at least from the ones I've been behind.

My AB/Dogo's dont fight a hog either, they catch and hold, Make um squeel, and DFW Hog hunters PPC Dogos neither of them fight they catch and hold. I like it that way

Could be the bulldog adding that trait. Remember, if the desired behavior for hunting puma is the way La historia desribed, then dogos with that predisposition could pop up in any of them. If your using AB/dogo crosses and bulldogs are/have been historically bred to seize and hold you really shouldnt be looking to credit the dogo side. You'd be doing that just b/c you like dogos. Thats not fair to the bulldogs, dogos or this debate.

Crib, I would say you make a good point but The three other dogs outside of mine are ALL REG. DOGO's (Not Crosses) so credit goes to the Dogo!

Thank you Raider for acknowledging. As far as the credit comment...dont know if i'd say all that.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17693.0

These a pure dogos too.

[raider54]

It's odd to me that the point keeps being brought up that dogos "fight" the hogs. From my experience the are the exact opposite. They don't fight the hog they hit hold and closetheir eyes. No shaking ripping or tearing. The bulldogs I've walkEd behind they hit then begin shaking pulling tearing. Even my young dogo will hit and she is then she is just caught. There isn't any fighting of the hog at least from the ones I've been behind.

My AB/Dogo's dont fight a hog either, they catch and hold, Make um squeel, and DFW Hog hunters PPC Dogos neither of them fight they catch and hold. I like it that way

Could be the bulldog adding that trait. Remember, if the desired behavior for hunting puma is the way La historia desribed, then dogos with that predisposition could pop up in any of them. If your using AB/dogo crosses and bulldogs are/have been historically bred to seize and hold you really shouldnt be looking to credit the dogo side. You'd be doing that just b/c you like dogos. Thats not fair to the bulldogs, dogos or this debate.

Crib, I would say you make a good point but The three other dogs outside of mine are ALL REG. DOGO's (Not Crosses) so credit goes to the Dogo!

Thank you Raider for acknowledging. As far as the credit comment...dont know if i'd say all that.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17693.0

These a pure dogos too.

If they are pure Dogo where do you think those traits come from? There is no other breed to give it to?  RIght?

[La Historia Dogo]

I have run out of answers for those who think a Dogo shouldn't want to fight its prey. So I called up Agustin Nores Martinez and asked him what he thought lol..........Here's are his words, translated by Marcelo Fernandez

"since the Dogo was essentially a big-game hunting dog, destined to fight with wild animals of much greater size"

But seriously that was written by him, in his book, " The True History of the Dogo Argentino"

[Crib]

It's odd to me that the point keeps being brought up that dogos "fight" the hogs. From my experience the are the exact opposite. They don't fight the hog they hit hold and closetheir eyes. No shaking ripping or tearing. The bulldogs I've walkEd behind they hit then begin shaking pulling tearing. Even my young dogo will hit and she is then she is just caught. There isn't any fighting of the hog at least from the ones I've been behind.

My AB/Dogo's dont fight a hog either, they catch and hold, Make um squeel, and DFW Hog hunters PPC Dogos neither of them fight they catch and hold. I like it that way

Could be the bulldog adding that trait. Remember, if the desired behavior for hunting puma is the way La historia desribed, then dogos with that predisposition could pop up in any of them. If your using AB/dogo crosses and bulldogs are/have been historically bred to seize and hold you really shouldnt be looking to credit the dogo side. You'd be doing that just b/c you like dogos. Thats not fair to the bulldogs, dogos or this debate.

Crib, I would say you make a good point but The three other dogs outside of mine are ALL REG. DOGO's (Not Crosses) so credit goes to the Dogo!

Thank you Raider for acknowledging. As far as the credit comment...dont know if i'd say all that.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17693.0

These a pure dogos too.

If they are pure Dogo where do you think those traits come from? There is no other breed to give it to?  RIght?

Right, everything Big Nasty said, the dogos own all of it. They get the credit for all that stuff. Good luck with that.

[S_J_KENNELS]

Josh you have been down here and seen my dogos hit the woods fully vested and walk hunted that way as well. If they are in condition of some sort they will be ok with full vest and collar. I have been hunting my dogos that way for years now.

I have seen a lot of culls and hunted behind some good dogs. I just lost my first dogo to old age this past winter that had been on 100's of hogs and never was cut. Hogs that killed dogs and knocked pits loose and out. Several times we went into the brush and found him and my male I have left caught on big boars laying at the hogs side while the curs and bulldogs were laid out from exhustion or to cut down to keep going. These two males held the hogs till we stuck them then fell down or over from exhustion as well.

I have been hunting hogs for awhile now and while I still like and keep a good bulldog around. My main catchdogs will be dogos as long as I can afford or find them. Like somebody said before I like big catchdogs LOL. My plans are to soon be running an all dogo pack in the corn and milo fields around here.


Folks just need to quit hating and get with somebody that has good dogos and hunt with  them. My dogos are not the end all of hog dogs, but they catch hogs for me and I will take folks out with them. We will either catch some hogs or watch the dogs work or ride the mule. Either way getting out and hunting is 100% better then B#$%^ing and moaing about what breed is better then X bred.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

La Historia, the translation may have inacurate word choice. You have gotten hung up on some small points that are/have hurt your argument. Like I said earlier, after you have caught a couple hundred hogs you will understand the slight differance between "fight" and "engage and hold".

To a hunter "Fighting" indicates a dog is biting, regriping, shaking, chewing, catching dirty, ect.... none of that is good and I have not seen it in any of the Dogo's I have or that I have hunted with. I am a huge fan of the Dogo, a good one brings some things to the table that others can't.

[ppc dogos]

Agree Paul, totally. During the last many years we have seen the difference.

[Crib]

Good deal for those who have dogs working out for their yards. As i said in my 1st post, working quality dogos are few and far btx. Which is diff than sayin none work at all. I think the translation says it all. They were developed as mutipurpose big game hunters which means, they were not developed strictly for hog hunting as some have said, they also will show tendecies that are favorable for hunting other types of game, namely puma which may not be the ideal characteristics for hunting hogs. Problem is they are being made out to be more than what they are and that has been proven in this thread. Why someone would want to pay so much for a catchdog that could get killed in short order is beyond me, but it is their money to spend. By the same token I fel my hunters friends concerns about them were justified by the responses and I can feel confident in sayin none of my hard earned money will be going to waste trying to sort through a breed that produces so few working representatives. The type of responses here have cemented that. Mabe I should ask a ton of money for pups and tell those who cant afford it (even tho they may be good homes) to "get a job" since that is the accepted vernacular amongst the dogo folk. La Historia, keep on doing what your doing for your dogs. You seem to have a very good grasp of what to look for.

[La Historia Dogo]

Paul, you summed it all up in saying what hunters use the word fight for, unfotunately slang doesn't translate well through the internet.

Here is the websters definition and what I mean for "fight", and probably what the doctor who wrote the quote I used, and as for the doctor who translated the original work, I would be inclined to believe he chose the right wording. But I will look for the original and try to post it. I know Birgitte has lots of historical dogo 'stuff' maybe she can get us the untranslated quote.

Fight- to engage in battle or in single combat; attempt to defend oneself or to subdue, defeat or destroy an adversary.

So when you or I use fight as Websters does, you get the idea that the dogo doesn't have to tear a boar to pieces to catch and hold with one solid attempt and work from there to SUBDUE, DEFEAT OR DESTROY AN ADVERSSARY. Sounds very similar to the whole purpose of the dogo to find, catch, and if necessary kill their prey.

As I have said before, this may not be the best for every hunter, maybe none here. But I as a Dogo ENTHUSIAST, and one who hopes to PRESERVE the dogo in its ORIGINAL form, will always be striving for what the creators envisioned.

I too do not expect my dogos to regrip ever, especially once I am close. I expect them to get a good grip and try to bring the boar to its knees.

[La Historia Dogo]

Shane,

It was nice to have the opportunity to hunt with all your dogs both dogos and others, also to hunt behind my own blood was a great privledge. I am looking at different vest option right now. I was really liking the vest Paul has from L3 but his looks different from what they re offering now.

Paul,

is that chest plate from L3  a custom or did they just change designs?

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

As i said in my 1st post, working quality dogos are few and far btx.

Crib, "few and far between" I think not. If you don't like the breed then don't buy one. Dogo's are no different than any other dog used on hogs, you need to get one from proven hunting lines.


La Historia, L3 is now carrying Duncan plates from Australia, I believe he is still making custom plates also, just give him a call.

[slimhogdog]

Good deal for those who have dogs working out for their yards. As i said in my 1st post, working quality dogos are few and far btx. Which is diff than sayin none work at all. I think the translation says it all. They were developed as mutipurpose big game hunters which means, they were not developed strictly for hog hunting as some have said, they also will show tendecies that are favorable for hunting other types of game, namely puma which may not be the ideal characteristics for hunting hogs. Problem is they are being made out to be more than what they are and that has been proven in this thread. Why someone would want to pay so much for a catchdog that could get killed in short order is beyond me, but it is their money to spend. By the same token I fel my hunters friends concerns about them were justified by the responses and I can feel confident in sayin none of my hard earned money will be going to waste trying to sort through a breed that produces so few working representatives. The type of responses here have cemented that. Mabe I should ask a ton of money for pups and tell those who cant afford it (even tho they may be good homes) to "get a job" since that is the accepted vernacular amongst the dogo folk. La Historia, keep on doing what your doing for your dogs. You seem to have a very good grasp of what to look for.

Ok so was a pitbull developed "STRICTLY FOR HOG HUNTING"?