So let's get real about Dogos...

[duece24]

i keep hearing the problem with paying a lot of money for catchdogs is that they can expire on any night. while i know this is a fact, i also know that there are MANY cd's that hunt for very long periods of time(mike's clifford, joe's esue, come to mind quickly). personally if your cd is constantly getting poked and cut then your cd isn't very good. i think with the proper training, the proper style, and good releasing techniques a good catchdog will be able to for many years. i your are running through cds 1.your cds aren't very good 2.maybe you should protect them better with vests 3.you should rethink your releasing practices.

myabe i've been lucky that i've seen some of the better cds on this board, but most all of the cds i've seen do a great job of hitting the ear and sliding to the side. when there have been mulitple cds on a hog they each are hitting an ear and they make a 'v' protecting themselves. come to think of it out of all the hunts i've been on when the cds are protected and released smartly they haven't even got cut. i've seen more baydogs get mowed down and sliced up than the cds...and that's been dogos, AB's, and pits as cds so i'm not saying any one breed is prone to get cut more. i'm saying a cd of ANY breed isn't very good if they are getting cut all the time...

[Crib]

Good deal for those who have dogs working out for their yards. As i said in my 1st post, working quality dogos are few and far btx. Which is diff than sayin none work at all. I think the translation says it all. They were developed as mutipurpose big game hunters which means, they were not developed strictly for hog hunting as some have said, they also will show tendecies that are favorable for hunting other types of game, namely puma which may not be the ideal characteristics for hunting hogs. Problem is they are being made out to be more than what they are and that has been proven in this thread. Why someone would want to pay so much for a catchdog that could get killed in short order is beyond me, but it is their money to spend. By the same token I fel my hunters friends concerns about them were justified by the responses and I can feel confident in sayin none of my hard earned money will be going to waste trying to sort through a breed that produces so few working representatives. The type of responses here have cemented that. Mabe I should ask a ton of money for pups and tell those who cant afford it (even tho they may be good homes) to "get a job" since that is the accepted vernacular amongst the dogo folk. La Historia, keep on doing what your doing for your dogs. You seem to have a very good grasp of what to look for.

Ok so was a pitbull developed "STRICTLY FOR HOG HUNTING"?

No way, Whoever said that doesnt know a thing about dogs.

[Crib]

As i said in my 1st post, working quality dogos are few and far btx.

Crib, "few and far between" I think not. If you don't like the breed then don't buy one. Dogo's are no different than any other dog used on hogs, you need to get one from proven hunting lines.


La Historia, L3 is now carrying Duncan plates from Australia, I believe he is still making custom plates also, just give him a call.

Dont worry, I wont be. Agreed on the other statements.

[Scott]

Crib, "few and far between" I think not. If you don't like the breed then don't buy one. Dogo's are no different than any other dog used on hogs, you need to get one from proven hunting lines.

I would tend to agree with few and far between. On the whole, of all the "registered" dogos being produced, what percentage do you think work/perform at their intended function? How many are being produced with the goal being the whole, or the majority, of the litter being proven or culled in the woods? Of all the dogo breeders in North America, how many are breeding proven hunting dogs?

It has nothing to do with like or dislike, it has to do with a large percentage of the breed as a whole not being worked/utilized at it's intended function.

I really like a good dogo, but in my experience, they have a much higher cull rate than the APBT or the AB. It is my opinion that there's not a dimes worth of difference between the good representatives of each breed...it's just personal preference as to what you choose to feed.

[make-em-squeel]

Scott there may be moere Dogo culls if you are looking for the entire package of a 1 out do it all with one dog dogo, as is with ANY BREED. But as far as one that performs as a lead in cd the cull rate is very close to that of any other bulldog, most will catch. Alot seem to also catch the way i perfer, no thrashing etc.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

How many are being produced with the goal being the whole, or the majority, of the litter being proven or culled in the woods?

 It is my opinion that there's not a dimes worth of difference between the good representatives of each breed...it's just personal preference as to what you choose to feed.

The biggest problem with the Dogo is that most breeders are not hunters and are not proving entire litters and culling and keeping only the best of the best. When the Dogo was developed the culling that would have taken place would have been massive. Today's breeders seam to want to skip that part. The hunting breeders who prove their lines on hundreds of hogs are few, but if you get a Dogo from those lines your probably going to get a pretty solid dog.

I agree that the difference between the top end dogs is small, as it is with any other "type" of dog, just like there is not much difference between a good Catahoula and a good BMC.


If I was going to buy a Dogo there would only be two or three places that dog would come from.

[Scott]

The biggest problem with the Dogo is that most breeders are not hunters and are not proving entire litters and culling and keeping only the best of the best. When the Dogo was developed the culling that would have taken place would have been massive. Today's breeders seam to want to skip that part. The hunting breeders who prove their lines on hundreds of hogs are few, but if you get a Dogo from those lines your probably going to get a pretty solid dog.

I agree that the difference between the top end dogs is small, as it is with any other "type" of dog, just like there is not much difference between a good Catahoula and a good BMC.


If I was going to buy a Dogo there would only be two or three places that dog would come from.

We are in agreement...and your closing statement is exactly why I believe the good ones are few and far between.

But as far as one that performs as a lead in cd the cull rate is very close to that of any other bulldog, most will catch.

My experience (and the experience of friends who have owned/hunted the dogo for many years) has not borne that out.

[Crib]

How many are being produced with the goal being the whole, or the majority, of the litter being proven or culled in the woods?

 It is my opinion that there's not a dimes worth of difference between the good representatives of each breed...it's just personal preference as to what you choose to feed.

The biggest problem with the Dogo is that most breeders are not hunters and are not proving entire litters and culling and keeping only the best of the best. When the Dogo was developed the culling that would have taken place would have been massive. Today's breeders seam to want to skip that part. The hunting breeders who prove their lines on hundreds of hogs are few, but if you get a Dogo from those lines your probably going to get a pretty solid dog.

I agree that the difference between the top end dogs is small, as it is with any other "type" of dog, just like there is not much difference between a good Catahoula and a good BMC.


If I was going to buy a Dogo there would only be two or three places that dog would come from.

Thats exactly what I was saying.

[Reuben]

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[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Scott, If a person wants to go buy a dog that comes from great lines that have been hunted and tested for years, from a breeder that knows what they are doing the list will be short no matter what breed of dog they are looking for. So I do agree with you, i just believe it is true for all breeds. There are fewer Dogo breeders than the rest, so the best of the best is a short list.

[Mike]

X4...

I agree with Scott on this. I've been around many over the years... more bad than good.

The main reason all goes back to the money issue. People that spend that kind of money on a pup tend not to cull so easy. The dog usually gets sold or bred to produce more culls... gotta get that money back. So this trend continues for many years and the dogo is what it is today.

[duece24]

when you guys say you have seen more bad dogos than good. what is making that dogo a "bad catchdog"? i think i pretty much know the answer to the question, but i think there are other people that would like to know what you guys mean by a "bad" dogo.

in my eyes a bad dogo is one that will not catch. for my purposes a dogo that doesn't catch or one that gets hit one good time by a bad boar and goes to baying...

[kevin]

I think I have read more bullnumber 2 on this thread than any other ever. 

[Mike]

when you guys say you have seen more bad dogos than good. what is making that dogo a "bad catchdog"? i think i pretty much know the answer to the question, but i think there are other people that would like to know what you guys mean by a "bad" dogo.

in my eyes a bad dogo is one that will not catch. for my purposes a dogo that doesn't catch or one that gets hit one good time by a bad boar and goes to baying...

Won't catch at all, grabs the hog all over, human aggression, dog aggression, hearing problems, bad skin problems, etc...

[Circle C]

I think I have read more bullnumber 2 on this thread than any other ever.

Kevin,

   That's funny. I was just talking to a guy about this thread, and the need for hip waders....It is deep.  

[Mike]

And before anyone says it... i'm not a "hater". I've hunted behind some damn fine dogos also. I enjoy any breed of dog that gets the job done.

Unfortunately, the dogo has gone down the same road as the catahoula... IMO.

[duece24]

mike you know i value your opinion and highly respect you, but do you think there is a possiblity that you and many other dogo nay sayers look at them with a fine toothed comb?

meaning because of their high price and their claims of being the 'ultimate' hog dog that people expect more of them than they do other breeds. i think that the curring out part is pretty much equal for most breeds, catching all over is a training thing, human aggression i think is the way they have been raised, dog aggression(can't be any higher than pit bulls), hearing problems and bad skin problems(they probally rank the highest of all hog dog breeds in these two categories).

maybe i just think of the dogos i've seen(which admittedly isn't a ton)and they haven't shown any of these problems(sorry one that i bought did). most if the ones that i've seen are true to type, their only fault is that they are smaller than your 'typical' dogo. i actually like that. i've seen them catch 350lb boars and they do just as good as any big dog.

i say these things not to defend the dogo but to offer some extra things to think about.  it seems that we have inflated expectations of the dogo cause of the price tag or rather we are less exforgiving when they dont pan out.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Unfortunately, the dogo has gone down the same road as the catahoula... IMO.

So you are saying that dogos are BAY PEN dogs? 

 

[duece24]

lol good one cutter bay....lol

[matt_aggie04]

Josh I think we have been around more free dogos than most people.  I know I have been around 8-10 easily myself that were being tested and they got an F!  I owned a damn good one that was given to me by a friend but very few of them made the grade.  If we had been paying for them they would still have been the same cull they were as a freebie.