So let's get real about Dogos...

[kevin]

Duece, all working dogs should get a fine tooth comb.  A cull is a cull no matter the breed.  I

[muleman]

You guys are silly....everyone knows that Dogos have super powers given to them by the gods.

[raider54]

Unfortunately, the dogo has gone down the same road as the catahoula... IMO.

So you are saying that dogos are BAY PEN dogs? 

 

OUCH!!!!!

[raider54]

You guys are silly....everyone knows that Dogos have super powers given to them by the gods.

5 pages on this thread and you are just now showing up!!!!.......lol

[muleman]

yea, right! i miss all the good stuff.

[muleman]

its too bad we cant find a big white catchdog that has been bred for a couple hundred years to catch hogs.......

[Crib]

mike you know i value your opinion and highly respect you, but do you think there is a possiblity that you and many other dogo nay sayers look at them with a fine toothed comb?

meaning because of their high price and their claims of being the 'ultimate' hog dog that people expect more of them than they do other breeds. i think that the curring out part is pretty much equal for most breeds, catching all over is a training thing, human aggression i think is the way they have been raised, dog aggression(can't be any higher than pit bulls), hearing problems and bad skin problems(they probally rank the highest of all hog dog breeds in these two categories).

maybe i just think of the dogos i've seen(which admittedly isn't a ton)and they haven't shown any of these problems(sorry one that i bought did). most if the ones that i've seen are true to type, their only fault is that they are smaller than your 'typical' dogo. i actually like that. i've seen them catch 350lb boars and they do just as good as any big dog.

i say these things not to defend the dogo but to offer some extra things to think about.  it seems that we have inflated expectations of the dogo cause of the price tag or rather we are less exforgiving when they dont pan out.

Its the fantastic claims you guys keep making. They should at least be able to do what they were bred for more consistenly. Esp for the amount of money people ask for em.

[Crib]

Heres an example

i keep hearing the problem with paying a lot of money for catchdogs is that they can expire on any night. while i know this is a fact, i also know that there are MANY cd's that hunt for very long periods of time(mike's clifford, joe's esue, come to mind quickly). personally if your cd is constantly getting poked and cut then your cd isn't very good. i think with the proper training, the proper style, and good releasing techniques a good catchdog will be able to for many years. i your are running through cds 1.your cds aren't very good 2.maybe you should protect them better with vests 3.you should rethink your releasing practices.

myabe i've been lucky that i've seen some of the better cds on this board, but most all of the cds i've seen do a great job of hitting the ear and sliding to the side. when there have been mulitple cds on a hog they each are hitting an ear and they make a 'v' protecting themselves. come to think of it out of all the hunts i've been on when the cds are protected and released smartly they haven't even got cut. i've seen more baydogs get mowed down and sliced up than the cds...and that's been dogos, AB's, and pits as cds so i'm not saying any one breed is prone to get cut more. i'm saying a cd of ANY breed isn't very good if they are getting cut all the time...

The reasonable thought process is this:

There is some natural born DOG KILLERS out there fellers, sometimes it just takes longer for some of us to find them.. A man might catch 100 hogs a yr and never run into the ONE that can put him out of buisness for a while.. One thing about it, when you find him it wont matter what kind of dog you runnin and how old they are, they are fixin to be put to the test That day....

Nuff said

[cantexduck]

Do dogo s bay?

[Reuben]

Duece, all working dogs should get a fine tooth comb.  A cull is a cull no matter the breed.  I

A real dog man uses a fine toothed comb with a magnifying glass and then double and triple checks.

The APBT is what it is today because of the hard core dog men of the past.
This is in spite of all the backyard breeders that have not culled for working ability.
I Know this is about the DOGO but a few shots were fired in the PIT direction.

It was said that some pits don't have the wind. It could be that the dog came out of the pound or someones backyard that don't know anything about heartworms, or the dog is overweight and never gets any type of excercise.
The pit backed off of a bad boar.... well maybe the pound dog isn't a purebred or is of the larger type and is still a pup.

The pit is dog aggressive... Yup, they are game dogs but a firm hand and proper socialization usually works... especially if it is brought up from a pup... And if it is people aggressive it is a cull. I treat all pits like a loaded gun because I know what they are capable of... The reason being is probably due to irresponsible breeders. In spite of all this I'll put my money on the APBT....

[3-Bdogs]

ok i can't hold out anymore off this topic to answer crib ? i know it was directed to mike but i believe ppl do pick on dogo more about their flaws but its because their high priced you can buy a really nice started strike dog for what you pay for a pup some go as high as finished dogs then you have to look at like this you can get a finished cd either pit or ab and know that their goin to do their job for around 500 and under some maybe higher but that seems to be a regular rate that iv noticed... and last yes ppl prob expect more out of dogos because of these high pedestals others have put them on as far as the "ultimate hog dog "

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Well.....I am a Dogo and Catahoula man, I am quite surprised I ever catch a hog haha

I have never hunted behind a BMC that I would feed.

I have never hunted behind a single pit that I would feed.

So what does that mean......absolutely nothing...., there are great dogs in every breed. But there is more variation with in a breed than between breeds. That means that the difference between a really good Dogo, AB, and APBT is not great, but there is from great to junk in each breed.


Edit for not using my head....

Any one want to try a Dogo pup out of an Adora and D'Angelo pairing? Just saying a person needs to evaluate the family the Dogo is coming from and know that there are very solid dogs behind them. If you don't do that first then nothing else matters whether they are free or expensive.

[Mike]

Duece, all working dogs should get a fine tooth comb.  A cull is a cull no matter the breed.  I

Josh, exactly what Kevin said. I'm not a dogo nay sayer, just sharing what i've experienced the past ten years or so since i've been around them. Like I said, i've hunted behind some damn good ones. All the "nay sayers" have had the same experiences... not basing their opinions from just being around a few dogos.

[Txhoghunter]

when you guys say you have seen more bad dogos than good. what is making that dogo a "bad catchdog"? i think i pretty much know the answer to the question, but i think there are other people that would like to know what you guys mean by a "bad" dogo.

in my eyes a bad dogo is one that will not catch. for my purposes a dogo that doesn't catch or one that gets hit one good time by a bad boar and goes to baying...

Ive hunted around a few, maybe 10-15.  I've personally only seen one that i would use.  Now, i liked some of the others ok, but it seems like most have a problem either getting to the hog or getting the deal sealed the first time they hit the hog.  A lot of this is due to the size of the dogs.  I just don't have have a need for a dog that gets anywhere near 100 lbs.  thats just my .02...

[hoghunterdfw]

Ive hunted around a few, maybe 10-15.  I've personally only seen one that i would use.  Now, i liked some of the others ok, but it seems like most have a problem either getting to the hog or getting the deal sealed the first time they hit the hog.  A lot of this is due to the size of the dogs.  I just don't have have a need for a dog that gets anywhere near 100 lbs.  thats just my .02...

Yeah its definitely true that there are a lot of crappy ones in this area. I too have seen more bad ones than good ones. with ratio skewing heavily towards the crappy side. but like everyone has said you can say that about several dog breeds that others seem to use with great success such as catahoulas. What can I say just like with curs you got to do your homework before you spend your money on a dog and you will increase your odds of getting a good one but like with any dog breed its all a crap shoot in the long run.

[make-em-squeel]

Won't catch at all, grabs the hog all over, human aggression, dog aggression, hearing problems, bad skin problems, etc...
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I agree these are problems with the breed, but do you think it is more frequent than the # of pits you have to go through to get one that isnt agressive, heat strokes, leads horrible, etc (the many reasons you cull a pit besides effort typically) To me its a wash, and i dont think many people drop alot of $ on a dogo that has those typical problems. The people i know that ask a grand for a dog guarantee it or they will get you another pup or you cash back. I have culled at least 8 pits i paid between 50 -150 bucks for so to me its a wash...... no need to put the dogo under the microscope any more than the next bulldog just hunt what suites the individual  

[make-em-squeel]

My last post was not meant to imply that you, mike, are putting the dogo under the microscope- that was just a general statement to this thread....I just replace the word dogo with my favorite strike dog the BMC, I have seen more curs i would not feed than ones i would, seems to be true with most hog dogs.

[Mike]

I agree these are problems with the breed, but do you think it is more frequent than the # of pits you have to go through to get one that isnt agressive, heat strokes, leads horrible, etc (the many reasons you cull a pit besides effort typically) To me its a wash, and i dont think many people drop alot of $ on a dogo that has those typical problems. The people i know that ask a grand for a dog guarantee it or they will get you another pup or you cash back. I have culled at least 8 pits i paid between 50 -150 bucks for so to me its a wash...... no need to put the dogo under the microscope any more than the next bulldog just hunt what suites the individual  

I put all dogs under the microscope... this thread just happens to be about dogos.

[Circle C]

Paul,

"la hysteria" frankly I would expect more than that from you,  especially after you called me out for a similar infraction last year.  This man has been nothing but respectful even when constantly being put under the microscope on the last few threads.

I can't believe that so many people have taken these discussions so personal....I mean its just a dog breed, its not like anyone is insulting someone's manhood.

Well.....I am a Dogo and Catahoula man, I am quite surprised I ever catch a hog haha

I have never hunted behind a BMC that I would feed.

I have never hunted behind a single pit that I would feed.

So what does that mean......absolutely nothing...., there are great dogs in every breed. But there is more variation with in a breed than between breeds. That means that the difference between a really good Dogo, AB, and APBT is not great, but there is from great to junk in each breed.

This thread went to crap with La Hysteria (a rookie with 20-30 hogs caught in his career) showing up and reading from the Dogo manifesto. Stuff like that does way more harm than good to this breed. Dogo's cost to much for most hunters, Dogo's aren't culled hard enough by most breeders.

Any one want to try a Dogo pup out of an Adora and D'Angelo pairing? Just saying a person needs to evaluate the family the Dogo is coming from and know that there are very solid dogs behind them. If you don't do that first then nothing else matters whether they are free or expensive.

[UNDERDOG]

First,I am not a Dogo"hater" and really don't care about them one way or the other as I really am not one to tell others what ot feed and don't care what others feed if it makes them happy but since this thread is most all there is to read hear lately I will ask a coupple questions.

(1) How many on this thread are feeding "pure" dogos,how many you have and how long you been foolin with them (the breed)?  and how many are actually catching with Dogo's regularly?

(2) Why is it you seem to see so many Dogo's crossed w/ AB'S or APBT's ? is it to "fix" something w/ the Dogo's or a monetary thing were no other dogo was available so the Dogo owner went w/ an AB or APBT ?

(3) To the Dogo ownwers/breeders what is your cull rate and how many did you go through to get the working ones you have (assuming that if you reply you are hunting the dogs)  


Again,nothing against the Dogo as I stated before I have my own breed I like with it's own problems and challenges.