So let's get real about Dogos...

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Chris, you are correct. I was only trying to point out that novice hunters can have unrealistic expectations about the Dogo. When they start pushing what they have read above what they have done, it makes for some unneeded clouding of the water.

Its not personal to me in any way. I just want to give my view as a hunter and try and cut through some of the mystique of what is written about the Dogo.

[raider54]

Duece, all working dogs should get a fine tooth comb.  A cull is a cull no matter the breed.  I

A real dog man uses a fine toothed comb with a magnifying glass and then double and triple checks.

The APBT is what it is today because of the hard core dog men of the past.
This is in spite of all the backyard breeders that have not culled for working ability.
I Know this is about the DOGO but a few shots were fired in the PIT direction.

It was said that some pits don't have the wind. It could be that the dog came out of the pound or someones backyard that don't know anything about heartworms, or the dog is overweight and never gets any type of excercise.
The pit backed off of a bad boar.... well maybe the pound dog isn't a purebred or is of the larger type and is still a pup.

The pit is dog aggressive... Yup, they are game dogs but a firm hand and proper socialization usually works... especially if it is brought up from a pup... And if it is people aggressive it is a cull. I treat all pits like a loaded gun because I know what they are capable of... The reason being is probably due to irresponsible breeders. In spite of all this I'll put my money on the APBT....

You are obviously a PittBull fan, that being said, if you go to a top notch reputable breeder, one that has super high quality Pitbulls, what will an 8 week old registered pup cost on average?

[Noah]

I remember Paul, Douglas, and Krystal jumpin' on me like a choat in a pen full of catch dogs back in the day when I first found this "internet hog doggin' thing"....  

....... and they jumped on me good      Any of yall remember TxBoars.... 

Once I got done showin' my a$$(and getting banned ), I realized they "might" have actually known what they were talkin' about and have learned a tremendous amount from them ever since.

You can learn something from everyone... take the good, leave the bad and use what you get out of it to make yourself better....


As far as dogos go, I agree with PaulT... not enough actual hunters breeding them, period. (And put me down for an Adora pup please )

[Scott]

Raider, it really depends on a few things...but, if you get one to put in the woods from a true dogman, in my experience, the price is negligible.

[Reuben]

I see them on a regular basis for $150 dollars and sometimes less. Have seen them sell for $1000 but a good average price is $250. I only keep one at a time because strike dogs have always been my priority and I have limited room for dogs. I hunted without a catch dog for about ten years but sometimes someone would bring one or two.

Usually caught all hogs with my curs, either they were caught when I got there or caught when I gave the command. After several wrecks I started carrying a pistol and would not let the dogs catch a bad boar.

To me, it is a lot easier picking a pit puppy for catching than picking a pup for striking/baying hogs...



You are obviously a PittBull fan, that being said, if you go to a top notch reputable breeder, one that has super high quality Pitbulls, what will an 8 week old registered pup cost on average?
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[raider54]

Raider, it really depends on a few things...but, if you get one to put in the woods from a true dogman, in my experience, the price is negligible.

Scott this was my point!  High quality dogs are expensive no matter what the breed is, Dogo's are expensive because ther are not alot of breeders out there. Hog hunters dont like to pay alot of money for dogs. Coon Hunters wouldnt think twice about paying 3 or 4 thousand for the right 6mth old pup. I have seen Pitt pups go for $7500 it is not likely anyone is going to pay that kind of money for a Pit and then turn it out on a hog. Pitts are a dime a dozen because everyone has one and every body breeds them every time they come into heat because they can sell them. Dogo's are not a dime a dozen! they are $1500 ea. because there are not alot of them. I culled a AB/Dogo pup of mine because he wasnt as far along as my other one. Sold him as a pet for $1400 people like the dogs because they are big and pretty and great natured. I have yet to run into anyone that buys a pitbull because they are good natured.

[raider54]

I see them on a regular basis for $150 dollars and sometimes less. Have seen them sell for $1000 but a good average price is $250. I only keep one at a time because strike dogs have always been my priority and I have limited room for dogs. I hunted without a catch dog for about ten years but sometimes someone would bring one or two.

Usually caught all hogs with my curs, either they were caught when I got there or caught when I gave the command. After several wrecks I started carrying a pistol and would not let the dogs catch a bad boar.

To me, it is a lot easier picking a pit puppy for catching than picking a pup for striking/baying hogs...



You are obviously a PittBull fan, that being said, if you go to a top notch reputable breeder, one that has super high quality Pitbulls, what will an 8 week old registered pup cost on average?

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Ruben you must have missed the Top Notched, Reputable Breeder part. I can show you website after website where weinling pups go for no less than 5K per pup. Yes you can get the backyard breeders to sell you one of 150 but that wasnt my question. and I do agree with you on one thing I focus on strike dogs first!

[make-em-squeel]

First,I am not a Dogo"hater" and really don't care about them one way or the other as I really am not one to tell others what ot feed and don't care what others feed if it makes them happy but since this thread is most all there is to read hear lately I will ask a coupple questions.

(1) How many on this thread are feeding "pure" dogos,how many you have and how long you been foolin with them (the breed)?  and how many are actually catching with Dogo's regularly?

(2) Why is it you seem to see so many Dogo's crossed w/ AB'S or APBT's ? is it to "fix" something w/ the Dogo's or a monetary thing were no other dogo was available so the Dogo owner went w/ an AB or APBT ?

(3) To the Dogo ownwers/breeders what is your cull rate and how many did you go through to get the working ones you have (assuming that if you reply you are hunting the dogs)  


Again,nothing against the Dogo as I stated before I have my own breed I like with it's own problems and challenges.
 

Been using them for 4 yrs, owned 3 culled 2 one was free and i got what i paid for, the other had human agression but hunted / caught great, not 2 mo. after going to my cousins she got over the human agression, she was 18 mo. old but it was to late to take the dog back. The one i am huntin now is great catches and holds very clean. So I am a rookie compard to most on this thread but have caught alot of hogs with dogos none the less,i have friends who use dogos regularly through the past 4 yrs and have hunted with a few more that were great dogs. Like all breeds of hog dogs i have seen, I have seen more dogos i would not feed vs ones i would feed. Hopefully us hunters change this, I am going to do my part, God willing.

All hog dogs are crossed up, there is no relavence to this statement....who know if they were not trying to impove upon the pit/ab/cat.??

I am not a breeder but if you can trace your dog back 5 generations and breed it to something similiar, your odds go up vs being a back yard breeder with pound puppies in my non-breeder opinion

[mex]

 (And put me down for an Adora pup please X2 Mr.Paul I'm all over it!

[make-em-squeel]

Raider54 is right, get on line and look up pitbull breeders, selling their working papered pits, you cant hardly get one less than $500 minimum...1k avg. the oly reason you can get pits cheap is b/c of the pound and forums like this one...backyard breeders creating lots of pits driving the price down!! they are as pricey as dogos online.

[Scott]

The quality APBTs I'm speaking of...you're not going to find on the www. I know a few of those old dogmen aint much for technology

[Circle C]

Scott,

    I think you are wasting your time. Some people associate price with quality, and have trouble grasping anything else.

    Some of us know exactly the type of breeders you are talking  about. The ones that are more concerned about putting a dog in the right working home then they are making a buck.

I should clarify that I am not directing my comments to any individual, but to an.ideology .

[La Historia Dogo]

Paul,

"la hysteria" frankly I would expect more than that from you,  especially after you called me out for a similar infraction last year.  This man has been nothing but respectful even when constantly being put under the microscope on the last few threads.

I can't believe that so many people have taken these discussions so personal....I mean its just a dog breed, its not like anyone is insulting someone's manhood.

Well.....I am a Dogo and Catahoula man, I am quite surprised I ever catch a hog haha

I have never hunted behind a BMC that I would feed.

I have never hunted behind a single pit that I would feed.

So what does that mean......absolutely nothing...., there are great dogs in every breed. But there is more variation with in a breed than between breeds. That means that the difference between a really good Dogo, AB, and APBT is not great, but there is from great to junk in each breed.

This thread went to crap with La Hysteria (a rookie with 20-30 hogs caught in his career) showing up and reading from the Dogo manifesto. Stuff like that does way more harm than good to this breed. Dogo's cost to much for most hunters, Dogo's aren't culled hard enough by most breeders.

Any one want to try a Dogo pup out of an Adora and D'Angelo pairing? Just saying a person needs to evaluate the family the Dogo is coming from and know that there are very solid dogs behind them. If you don't do that first then nothing else matters whether they are free or expensive.

I do what I talk about with my dogos! I qualify what I DO with MY dogos with what the creators of the breed wrote.

You said there are three places you'd get a dogo from, are they all hunting ALL OF their brood stock?

I don't disrespect you, I appreciate the same. Hunt behind one of my dogos, then you can say I don't know what Im doing or saying(though I bet you wouldn't have anything to say). Its unfortunate all these people have such doubt in the dogo. But its justified by breeders who settle for dogos that aren't dead game. Justified by breeders who don't care if their dogos HUNT.  
 Its funny how people will be stuck on certain lines when they aren't even out of hunted parents. But a few pups placed with people that know how to train dogs to hunt, and all of a sudden this line or that line is the best.

 I haven't had 40 litters and hunted a couple of dogos. I've had a handful of litters and hunted EVERY dogo in my kennel. The pups will be started in a few weeks.

What other dogo breeder even cares enough about the dogo to offer any info? I haven't seen any chime in!

[Mike]

Raider54 is right, get on line and look up pitbull breeders, selling their working papered pits, you cant hardly get one less than $500 minimum...1k avg. the oly reason you can get pits cheap is b/c of the pound and forums like this one...backyard breeders creating lots of pits driving the price down!! they are as pricey as dogos online.

How many hog hunters do you know that buy these high dollar pits from breeders? All the ones I know use pits from proven woods dog stock... back yard breeders. Thats where my money would go if I had to buy one... proven hog dogs, not "professional" breeders.

The problem with back yard dogo breeders is that most want to charge a premium just like the registered breeders .... evidently on dogo crosses also.

[raider54]

Scott,

    I think you are wasting your time. Some people associate price with quality, and have trouble grasping anything else.

    Some of us know exactly the type of breeders you are talking  about. The ones that are more concerned about putting a dog in the right working home then they are making a buck.

I understand exactly what he is talking about! But since this turned into a Dogo bashing thread I was compareing the few Dogo breeders out there to the Top Line Pittbull breeders! There are no Dogo breeders out there that have proven lines selling pups for $150. Maybe some day there will be. I think you can associate price with quality when it comes to Strike dogs, are you going to try a $200 Finished Strike Dog? I dont even give those add a second glance. This shouldnt get personel, I just dont understand the bashing, what ever happened to "if you dont have something good to say, dont say anything at all"?

[duece24]

I agree with Scott on this one. The pitmen I know don't do the net. Too many people get caught that way. On avg I paid no less than 400 for my pits(ironically it's the same price I paid for my dogo). Well bred pits cost as much as well bred dogos. And I think their cull rate is about the same. I will say that ur avg pitbull breeder will be able to produce good CDs over the avg dogo breeder. I truly believe that this is due to the relative young age of the dogo breed. The pit has MANY years of hardcore culling in them. It's hard to screw that up. In 50yrs with hardcore culling the dogo will be in the same place. I think it takes people like is that are on this thread to help make the dogo a better breed.

Problem is that we as hunt so we don't have the time or the money to do what needs to be done. Which is why I said that it is going to take several people that are willing to get several strains of the dogo and work together to make it a better breed free of the genetic defects. But most dogo people aren't into giving pups out to hunting homes. They all want to make their money back. That's cool do what u do. But in contrast how many of ur well bred cur dogs will people give to their buddies to hint and see of they make the grade?

[Reuben]

Raider54 is right, get on line and look up pitbull breeders, selling their working papered pits, you cant hardly get one less than $500 minimum...1k avg. the oly reason you can get pits cheap is b/c of the pound and forums like this one...backyard breeders creating lots of pits driving the price down!! they are as pricey as dogos online.

How many hog hunters do you know that buy these high dollar pits from breeders? All the ones I know use pits from proven woods dog stock... back yard breeders. Thats where my money would go if I had to buy one... proven hog dogs, not "professional" breeders.

The problem with back yard dogo breeders is that most want to charge a premium just like the registered breeders .... evidently on dogo crosses also.

I agree...

[Mike]

Raider, where do you see anyone bashing dogos? All I see is people sharing what they know and learned from experience... I don't see any kind of bashing going on. Unfortunately some people don't like the truth and get all wadded up about it... it's been a good discussion as far as i'm concerned.

[raider54]

Raider54 is right, get on line and look up pitbull breeders, selling their working papered pits, you cant hardly get one less than $500 minimum...1k avg. the oly reason you can get pits cheap is b/c of the pound and forums like this one...backyard breeders creating lots of pits driving the price down!! they are as pricey as dogos online.

How many hog hunters do you know that buy these high dollar pits from breeders? All the ones I know use pits from proven woods dog stock... back yard breeders. Thats where my money would go if I had to buy one... proven hog dogs, not "professional" breeders.

The problem with back yard dogo breeders is that most want to charge a premium just like the registered breeders .... evidently on dogo crosses also.

Mike you are exactly right but I believe there is a reason for that! there are very few if any back yard breeders of Dogos, and especialy that have a proven line, thats why they are still expensive. The truth is if pit bulls were as expensive as dogos most hog hunters would be catching with Gritty Curs

[Circle C]

Raider,

  I had a dogo with health and working(catch dog)  guarantee for 300 bucks. Breeder said don't even send me the money until the dog is a year or two old so that you can determine if he will work out. That is someone who is interested in the breed not the money. You will never see his dogs advertised and if they don't work out they darn sure won't have the opportunity to reproduce.