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can the dogo be fixed within its own gene pool?
here is how i see it-they are too big
lots of health problems
not enough nose and hunt
dont catch and hold well
slow maturing
cost way tooooo much
thats just a start,now if you have a good one good for you.
the breed standard is a problem imo not allowing color is the cause of the ear/eye/skin problems
i believe an outcross is needed myself or 2......look at all the breeds used in the dogo-lol
i have my ideas but dont realy care i dont and wont hunt dogos anymore,had 5 diferent ones and hunted with 10-15 others...dont care to be knocked down or have my leg broken by 2 or 3 big dorks running back down the trail playing and not hunting,now you tell me has that happened to you or not?lol
i dont give a crap about purebred dogs as you can tell...i do give a crap about dogs that get'r done right now!!!!!
if your with me??? what breed/s would you use to fix the problems if it could even be done?
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2010, 01:22:44 pm » |
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it seems this thread is dead before it has really started as you have already made up your mind as to waht the dogo is and isn't.
1.i've never been knocked down by a dogo, everyone that ia hve been around leads great. when i have been around dogos they have been used as lead in catchdogs so they aren't "running around playing".
2.i've only been around one dogo that flat out wouldn't catch every other dogo i've been around hears a bay and hauls a** to the bay and is caught solid when we get there.
3.i've seen two blue eyed dogos(both could hear fine and were great catchdogs) and none of the other ones have had any health problems.
4.they are slow maturing, but the rule of thumb with a lot of catahoula's is they aren't truly ready for the woods until over a year. nothing wrong with a slow maturing dog.
5.there is nothing you or i can do to bring teh cost down. so that is a moot point.
6.my dogo runs about 75lbs more or less, probally less. the dogos i have been around area touch smaller tahn other peoples but they catch just as good and probally with more speed adn agility.
i there is enough breeds already in the dogo that they don't need any other breeds in them. i would say that because teh breed is relatively new that there aren't enough lines to outcross and give teh dogs good hybrid vigor. the more tehy are linebred and inbred then OUTCROSSED to other lines teh stronger teh breed will get.
the problem is that takes some dedicated people that are willing to cull hard and be willing to go to other people to strengthen their line by going with compltely unrelated dogs. this will be a long time coming becasue this takeds peple willing to farm out dogs and be willing to stud for free and swap gyps for free. why do you thik the pit bull is such a stout line of dogs? because the old timers had 5-6 friends that they shared dogs with. they all culled hard adn they made breedings for free becasue tehy were trying to establish great dogs. they swapped gyps for free adn they swapped pups for free. when teh dogo breed does this i truly believe they will see their breed get stronger. most of your dogo breeders want big money for their pups because they made an investment so they have to get their money back. i don't knock this, i totally understand this point of view. i believe that if several dogo breeders were to get together and get several different strains of dogos and then work with each other to cull, test and breed their different strains i bet you will see a more uniform and stronger breed genetically.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 01:33:17 pm » |
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Man sorry to hear about all of your bad luck if you dont mind me askin where did you get your dogos?
I have had mine for a couple of years and never had any problems I have had pits my whole life and they have always worked but would have to cull due to them always wanting to fight and then the ones that made it didnt have alot of wind I guess it is differnt stroks for differnt folks I have seen cat cross that worked really good but I like to have purebred dogs and all of the dogos l have been around have been nasty in the woods and l dont know if l would hunt with out a dogo in my pack ever again but if I would have started out like you and been thru 5 bad ones l can see why you would be pissed and if that would have happened to me l would look at it a little different but I got a good start with some good people the man I got mine from said if for some reason she did not work for me he would buy her back at what I gave and he stands behind all of his dogs I hope everything works out for you
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 01:38:10 pm » |
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duece that was well said
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 01:44:35 pm » |
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it seems this thread is dead before it has really started as you have already made up your mind as to waht the dogo is and isn't.
1.i've never been knocked down by a dogo, everyone that ia hve been around leads great. when i have been around dogos they have been used as lead in catchdogs so they aren't "running around playing".
2.i've only been around one dogo that flat out wouldn't catch every other dogo i've been around hears a bay and hauls a** to the bay and is caught solid when we get there.
3.i've seen two blue eyed dogos(both could hear fine and were great catchdogs) and none of the other ones have had any health problems.
4.they are slow maturing, but the rule of thumb with a lot of catahoula's is they aren't truly ready for the woods until over a year. nothing wrong with a slow maturing dog.
5.there is nothing you or i can do to bring teh cost down. so that is a moot point.
6.my dogo runs about 75lbs more or less, probally less. the dogos i have been around area touch smaller tahn other peoples but they catch just as good and probally with more speed adn agility.
i there is enough breeds already in the dogo that they don't need any other breeds in them. i would say that because teh breed is relatively new that there aren't enough lines to outcross and give teh dogs good hybrid vigor. the more tehy are linebred and inbred then OUTCROSSED to other lines teh stronger teh breed will get.
the problem is that takes some dedicated people that are willing to cull hard and be willing to go to other people to strengthen their line by going with compltely unrelated dogs. this will be a long time coming becasue this takeds peple willing to farm out dogs and be willing to stud for free and swap gyps for free. why do you thik the pit bull is such a stout line of dogs? because the old timers had 5-6 friends that they shared dogs with. they all culled hard adn they made breedings for free becasue tehy were trying to establish great dogs. they swapped gyps for free adn they swapped pups for free. when teh dogo breed does this i truly believe they will see their breed get stronger. most of your dogo breeders want big money for their pups because they made an investment so they have to get their money back. i don't knock this, i totally understand this point of view. i believe that if several dogo breeders were to get together and get several different strains of dogos and then work with each other to cull, test and breed their different strains i bet you will see a more uniform and stronger breed genetically.
at 75 lbs or less you are under the breed standard,a good start but keeping the dogo on a leash how will you ever use the dogo as intended by the brothers and take the dogs forward seems by keeping them leashed you do the breed no justice |
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 01:47:02 pm » |
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This is what I was saying, the dogs are being patterned after bulldogs and not hunted the way they were developed. some of the things they do are probably b/c they arent being hunted the same. So is it really a "Dogo".
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 01:51:58 pm » |
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Who cares if the dog is not being hunted the way it was originally bred, times evolve, The dog is a tool for us hunters not the other way around. I use mine as a lead in cd and it loves its life. At least we are hunting them and not showing them.
This thread is going to get someone banned from ethd if were not carefull. Big nasty, to answer the only relevant factual question you posted I would cross it to a ridgeback or the right cur/hound.
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 01:57:42 pm » |
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My opinion is "If it Aint a pit it aint shyt" lol i got buddies that wanna spend that cash on a dogo just cause they can and i laugh an break out my 65lbs full blooded free pit bull that would love to die catchin a hog an tell them have fun spendin 500+ on a dogo that could be killed the first time you hunt it ... hog huntin is a gamble you never know if your gunna walk every dog out the woods again and a catch dog is a ruff animal to own i never have understood why people want a catch dog but wanna cry when it gets cut up or killed its part of it you live you learn free dog is the best dog in my eyes they will all hunt you just gunna work with them an put the time an effort into them dogs an they will meet you in the middle kinda off subject but again "If it aint a pit it aint shyt " the end  |
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 01:58:31 pm » |
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My experience with the dogo is limited but I have hunted with a few and found them to be lacking when it come to courage. I watched a pair get their a$$e$ whipped and quit by one boar that my pit later caught solo. If the pits are better catch dogs and the curs are better strike dogs why own a dogo? Rcd may be the place for a dogo but I think the breeders need more courage that the current dogo does not have.
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 01:59:56 pm » |
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it seems this thread is dead before it has really started as you have already made up your mind as to waht the dogo is and isn't.
1.i've never been knocked down by a dogo, everyone that ia hve been around leads great. when i have been around dogos they have been used as lead in catchdogs so they aren't "running around playing".
2.i've only been around one dogo that flat out wouldn't catch every other dogo i've been around hears a bay and hauls a** to the bay and is caught solid when we get there.
3.i've seen two blue eyed dogos(both could hear fine and were great catchdogs) and none of the other ones have had any health problems.
4.they are slow maturing, but the rule of thumb with a lot of catahoula's is they aren't truly ready for the woods until over a year. nothing wrong with a slow maturing dog.
5.there is nothing you or i can do to bring teh cost down. so that is a moot point.
6.my dogo runs about 75lbs more or less, probally less. the dogos i have been around area touch smaller tahn other peoples but they catch just as good and probally with more speed adn agility.
i there is enough breeds already in the dogo that they don't need any other breeds in them. i would say that because teh breed is relatively new that there aren't enough lines to outcross and give teh dogs good hybrid vigor. the more tehy are linebred and inbred then OUTCROSSED to other lines teh stronger teh breed will get.
the problem is that takes some dedicated people that are willing to cull hard and be willing to go to other people to strengthen their line by going with compltely unrelated dogs. this will be a long time coming becasue this takeds peple willing to farm out dogs and be willing to stud for free and swap gyps for free. why do you thik the pit bull is such a stout line of dogs? because the old timers had 5-6 friends that they shared dogs with. they all culled hard adn they made breedings for free becasue tehy were trying to establish great dogs. they swapped gyps for free adn they swapped pups for free. when teh dogo breed does this i truly believe they will see their breed get stronger. most of your dogo breeders want big money for their pups because they made an investment so they have to get their money back. i don't knock this, i totally understand this point of view. i believe that if several dogo breeders were to get together and get several different strains of dogos and then work with each other to cull, test and breed their different strains i bet you will see a more uniform and stronger breed genetically.
However, just like most hunters of other breeds, no one agrees on what to look for in a hunting dog. A family developed those dogs with the same goals in mind. Most people dont even breed for the traits the Martinez family selected for. These dogs are supposed to have nose and hunt as well. Add in the amount of money dogos go for without having to have those qualities I just dont see any cooperative efforts happening. Too much for a few isolated dedicated breeders who hunt to fix b/c people who get any dogos from those folks are going to take those dogs and breed it to a cat, pit or Ab or whatever to get what they want out of it. So the pure dogos dont get reproduced and passed along to maintain their traits as a breed. That's my honest opinion. |
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i'm sorry that many of you have been behind such bad dogos. like i said i've had one dogo that i personally bought that would not catch. the dogo i have now came from catchdogs parents. i've seen many of my dogo's siblings in the woods and they are great catchdogs. these dogos if we wanted to could be let off lead and they will find and catch hogs for us, problem is we do care about our dogs so we don't want them caught 500yds away while we are navigating through vines and briars trying to get to them.
quite honestly i don't care what the dogo was originally bred for i paid my money for the dog and i will use it as i see fit. if you want to get into that type of thing, pits were not bred for hog catching they were specifically bred to fight other dogs until one of them quit. so YOU my friend aren't using the pit as it was originally bred for. if you are breeding pits that will not fight until death then you have a cull on your hands, plain and simple.
i bred pits for over 15yrs and one of the most established line of pits was founded off of around 5-6 people that had the same strain of dogs and did as i stated earlier. it CAN be done. just so you know those 5-6 people didn't always agree on what was a good dog or not but when ever they crossed their dogs or swapped dogs they made sure THAT particular dog was what ALL of them felt was an exceptional dog. the dogs that were on their yard they did with as they pleased but any dog that was 'shared' between them had to be viewed and agreed upon by all the people in the circle.
if you don't believe me research flloyd boudreaux, bobby 'bullyson' hall, maurice carver, and mr elliot(i forgot his first name but he is the founder of the elliots six bits line of dogs). the people that worked along side with them aren't as well known and i know them personally so i will not put their names on the net, just know that i speak the truth.
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can the dogo be fixed within its own gene pool?
here is how i see it-they are too big
lots of health problems
not enough nose and hunt
dont catch and hold well
slow maturing
cost way tooooo much
thats just a start,now if you have a good one good for you.
the breed standard is a problem imo not allowing color is the cause of the ear/eye/skin problems
i believe an outcross is needed myself or 2......look at all the breeds used in the dogo-lol
i have my ideas but dont realy care i dont and wont hunt dogos anymore,had 5 diferent ones and hunted with 10-15 others...dont care to be knocked down or have my leg broken by 2 or 3 big dorks running back down the trail playing and not hunting,now you tell me has that happened to you or not?lol
i dont give a crap about purebred dogs as you can tell...i do give a crap about dogs that get'r done right now!!!!!
if your with me??? what breed/s would you use to fix the problems if it could even be done?
Your frustration reminds me of myself a long time ago when I was trying Catahoula after Catahoula! I was down on those dogs for years and years until I hunted with some guys that had sure enough good ones! I get on this board and I see other folks getting it done with them just fine also. I just never got a hold of the right ones is all. Luck like that can sure leave a bad taste in your mouth about breed. I know! |
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There are really good dogos out there and there are really bad dogos out there. Even when the brood stock will not hunt, some of the pups will make hunters and vise versa. It is a young breed and it does have its problems, I hate the white coat, but watching two male dogos totaly control a hog that would carry away a couple of pits can make almost anyone a believer. You just have to understand that there are good lines out there.
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Big nasty,
I would say just start over with a new breed. It's not working out and you'll waste more precious time and money trying to fix em with crosses. If you gotta cross its a failed project. Get a bulldog. No wanting for courage there and you be breeding them exactly for what they were intended, and use them the way they were intended. Pits true callin aint in the woods, and they like to fight hogs too. Cut your losses. You could end up breeding just to get your money back. Thats not gonna do anyone any good.
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Man u started aaa wind storm lol don't have any pure dogos but am happy with my dogo ridgeback pups and at 4 months they show a good hateward toward pigs and these two breeds are both slow maturing but these seem like they will be ok. The dogo that my two are out of will hunt find a pig and hold by his self they use him as a one out dog
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My opinion is "If it Aint a pit it aint shyt" lol i got buddies that wanna spend that cash on a dogo just cause they can and i laugh an break out my 65lbs full blooded free pit bull that would love to die catchin a hog an tell them have fun spendin 500+ on a dogo that could be killed the first time you hunt it ... hog huntin is a gamble you never know if your gunna walk every dog out the woods again and a catch dog is a ruff animal to own i never have understood why people want a catch dog but wanna cry when it gets cut up or killed its part of it you live you learn free dog is the best dog in my eyes they will all hunt you just gunna work with them an put the time an effort into them dogs an they will meet you in the middle kinda off subject but again "If it aint a pit it aint shyt " the end WOW  I had a pit that i got from a boy on this board that was exactly that "shyt"! She would BAY  !!!!! With that being said i dont think all pits are "shyt" just like all dogo's can't be lumped in that group. To the fella that said a lead in Dogo is not being used correctly an a injustice is being done to the breed using them this way..........so if i have a hard catching cur dog that i use as a catchdog am i doing the dog wrong by using it as a catch dog? ? |
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Big nasty,
I would say just start over with a new breed. It's not working out and you'll waste more precious time and money trying to fix em with crosses. If you gotta cross its a failed project. Get a bulldog. No wanting for courage there and you be breeding them exactly for what they were intended, and use them the way they were intended. Pits true callin aint in the woods, and they like to fight hogs too. Cut your losses. You could end up breeding just to get your money back. Thats not gonna do anyone any good.
Forgot to add, if your running one style of dog for everything? You will need to have division of labor to use a bulldog. So you would need some good curs. I know of people who have some real nice ones you could hit the ground running with. |
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To the fella that said a lead in Dogo is not being used correctly an a injustice is being done to the breed using them this way..........so if i have a hard catching cur dog that i use as a catchdog am i doing the dog wrong by using it as a catch dog? ? I believe you missed the point.... |
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