the dogo problem

[hoghunterdfw]

can the dogo be fixed within its own gene pool?

here is how i see it-they are too big
                          lots of health problems
                          not enough nose and hunt
                          dont catch and hold well
                          slow maturing
                          cost way tooooo much
                        

Yeah it can and here's how you can personally help!

too big - yeah I would definitely go with 80-90 pounds or less for males, for females 70-80 lb range. the bigger heavier ones I have seen aren't as athletic and I imagine overheat faster. I read on a dogo forum though that they just changed the breeding standard and are trying to go for smaller more hunt worthy dogos and away from the big huge worthless ones

lots of health problems - For the skin and hearing issues I too think that some color would probably help that and going away from larger size should mean less hip problem and other problems that real big dogs get.

not enough nose and hunt/don't catch or hold well/slow maturing - breed only good dogos from good bloodlines that best and most consistenly display the traits you desire most in your dogs and hunt and cull hard just like you would do for any dog breed- duh!

cost way tooooo much - here's how you can help with this one. buy a bunch of good dogs from good bloodlines spend a bunch of money to hunt and health test them. breed them and do the same with the pups. then sell them to the rest of us for really cheap and take a loss. if you do this enough eventually your good dogo bloodline will be readily available to everyone and you can be the one that set the standard for selling them low, but you will have the satisfaction of knowing you helped the dogo breed.


OR try to take an inconsistent shortcut and cross to a different breed. From some of the feedback I've been getting apparently I have recently been having some good results with a dogo blue lacy cross.

[raider54]

Our group drop those Pits like flies! very few dont have a hole in them somewhere.

So, you're saying the Dogo as a breed doesn't have holes

That first post....give me a break very littleof any of that crap was true.

You hunt with that guy?

It would seem from your posts that you've had exposure to a limited number of dogos, and they have been impressive. I have seen some real good ones myself, but I've seen way more culls.

By the way, I'm definitely not a "hater", I hunted with dogos exclusively as catchdogs from 2002-2006.

You misunderstood me I say all breeds have holes in them somewhere!

The best catch dog I have ever seen was 1/2 Catahoula 1/2 Pitt. Im not hateing on any of them. I like any of them that do what they are supposed to. I am not a true blue Dogo guy! I have seen 4 or 5 and they were very good. I have certainly seen more Pits and AB's that were good CD's. It is just hard for me not to respond to a Stupid Comment! The people who pay all that money for Dogo's must want one, who cares? If they dont start as young as a Pitt, who cares? We have a little black Pit gyp that will  stand on her back legs and fight with a hog, she will finally catch it but she gets cut bad almost every time we turn her in to a boar hog, she is stupid but has plenty of heart, her heart and lack of sense will get her killed soon. I dont hate on pits because of a few bad ones we have owned. I just think it is silly to get on here and bash something you dont have and dont want. JMO

[raider54]

Paul Im not going to touch the dogo debate as I have very limited expierence with the breed. I see where you say you have culled several pitts because of fighting and your dogos are big loving dogs. Its not really fair to compare the pitts that yall are hunting at full grown dogs to your dogos that were raised with your family and around your dogs.

We have raised plenty of pits and I have found they are more prone to fight another dog than the others we have raised. I believe alot of both breeds dont make it for one reason or another. I believe the AB's have a great and predictable nature, I also like a big dog. It may sound silly but I like white catch dogs.....lol

[leonriverboy]

O' really!

[BA-IV]

A 2010 thread, REALLY 

[boarsnesthogdogs]

why is the dogo thing still going can someone please stop it...........i hope yall r as interested in the upcoming election as you r in a white dog

[buddylee]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&$. As long as this is the main motivation for most breeders it can't be fixed. The average dogo breeder ain't gonna miss a $ to better the breed. The ideal dogo seems hard to consistantly achieve. That's a lot of traits to cram into a single dog. They cost a LOT and its hard for the average man or woman to be able to afford enough good dogs to breed right.

[Crossstock]

Guess there will be a dogo bashing every other day??? Stop caring about breeds that you dont even hunt anymore....man I had an ex- wife that tried starting drama everyday....

[hogdown]

well i have to say its culls in every breed. about 90 % of the time its not the dog's fault that it is a cull. it is more our fault then anything. when i got into hog hunting. i can say i f*** up some dogs. that if they had got into better hands they would have been some good s.o.b. with that said this is not saying yall are f**** up dogs. but i know some people can say the same. if you dont learn from your mistakes then i would not call myself a dog trainer.

[dogo24]

it seems this thread is dead before it has really started as you have already made up your mind as to waht the dogo is and isn't.

1.i've never been knocked down by a dogo, everyone that ia hve been around leads great. when i have been around dogos they have been used as lead in catchdogs so they aren't "running around playing".

2.i've only been around one dogo that flat out wouldn't catch every other dogo i've been around hears a bay and hauls a** to the bay and is caught solid when we get there.

3.i've seen two blue eyed dogos(both could hear fine and were great catchdogs) and none of the other ones have had any health problems.

4.they are slow maturing, but the rule of thumb with a lot of catahoula's is they aren't truly ready for the woods until over a year. nothing wrong with a slow maturing dog.


5.there is nothing you or i can do to bring teh cost down. so that is a moot point.

6.my dogo runs about 75lbs more or less, probally less. the dogos i have been around area  touch smaller tahn other peoples but they catch just as good and probally with more speed adn agility.

i there is enough breeds already in the dogo that they don't need any other breeds in them. i would say that because teh breed is relatively new that there aren't enough lines to outcross and give teh dogs good hybrid vigor. the more tehy are linebred and inbred then OUTCROSSED to other lines teh stronger teh breed will get.

the problem is that takes some dedicated people that are willing to cull hard and be willing to go to other people to strengthen their line by going with compltely unrelated dogs. this will be a long time coming becasue this takeds peple willing to farm out dogs and be willing to stud for free and swap gyps for free.  why do you thik the pit bull is such a stout line of dogs? because the old timers had 5-6 friends that they shared dogs with. they all culled hard adn they made breedings for free becasue tehy were trying to establish great dogs. they swapped gyps for free adn they swapped pups for free. when teh dogo breed does this i truly believe they will see their breed get stronger. most of your dogo breeders want big money for their pups because they made an investment so they have to get their money back. i don't knock this, i totally understand this point of view. i believe that if several dogo breeders were to get together and get several different strains of dogos and then work with each other to cull, test and breed their different strains i bet you will see a more uniform and stronger breed genetically.

at 75 lbs or less you are under the breed standard,a good start but keeping the dogo on a leash how will you ever use the dogo as intended by the brothers and take the dogs forward seems by keeping them leashed you do the breed no justice

i like to use my dogo how i like to use it , not like two 100 year old argentenian guys ive never met like to use it !  if it fetches ducks then use is as a gun dog !

[halfbreed]

  yaaawwwwwwnnnnnn !!!!!!!! ain't non of you people hunting   lol

[dogo24]

i think the reason they catch so much hell is the price .....  ive culled far more curs and pits than any breed of dog . if the dogo was a $50 dog then less people would abuse the breed by selling duds as pets ! only one to blame for the dogos downfalls are the breeders !  if bmc's went for $5000 then every tom , dick , and harry would be selling them on every street corner , and soon enough the breed would go to crap !

[dogo24]

  yaaawwwwwwnnnnnn !!!!!!!! ain't non of you people hunting   lol

im bored at work , just trying to stir the pot a little bit ! lol

[Dino1]

I think there is some dogo bashing because when people pay that much money for a dog, the expectation level is very high. That is only natural. The more you pay, the more you exeect. I would try either a pure pit, a small American bulldog, or a cross of those two breeds. Worked real well in Florida. My guess is you Texas boys would be equally happy. I have also seen some good catch dogs that were either AB or pit miexed with pointer or redbone. Good hunting.

[Melonhead]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&$. As long as this is the main motivation for most breeders it can't be fixed. The average dogo breeder ain't gonna miss a $ to better the breed. The ideal dogo seems hard to consistantly achieve. That's a lot of traits to cram into a single dog. They cost a LOT and its hard for the average man or woman to be able to afford enough good dogs to breed right.

There are breeders out there, that give dogos away to certain types of hunters - for some of us dogo owners, it's not about money at all - it's about picking the right person to do right by the dog.

They are not for everyone, slow maturing, hard headed, and some need a good push when it comes to catching young.
And yes they are big! My male is 97lbs, my female is 85-90lbs - but they are ment to control a hog by themselves - long legs, long neck, and enough weight not to get tossed around to bad. It's just a dog, like every other dog. Some are good some are bad.

[texun 11]

My opinion is "If it Aint a pit it aint shyt" lol i got buddies that wanna spend that cash on a dogo just cause they can and i laugh an break out my 65lbs full blooded free pit bull that would love to die catchin a hog an tell them have fun spendin 500+ on a dogo that could be killed the first time you hunt it ... hog huntin is a gamble you never know if your gunna walk every dog out the woods again and a catch dog is a ruff animal to own i never have understood why people want a catch dog but wanna cry when it gets cut up or killed its part of it you live you learn free dog is the best dog in my eyes they will all hunt you just gunna work with them an put the time an effort into them dogs an they will meet you in the middle kinda off subject but again "If it aint a pit it aint shyt " the end   


Amen to that!!!!!
 

[Demondoggers]

Haha, I've never paid for a cd of any kind. Actually Ive only paid for 2 dogs..... Ever and they were full sisters of different litters. I bought the pup sister to my old lead strike dog.

[Melonhead]

And I only paid for one dog in my life - it was a cur dog, what's the point?

Doesn't mean anything but you have a few friends.

[texasguy23]

Oh the glorious dogo posts, how we do all love them lol. Like every dog breed you got your good, bad, ugly, and expensive. As long as your happy then nothing else should matter. I love the breed and have been blessed with awesome dogs from the start. My advice to anyone who's getting ready to buy a new dog from any breed is go into it with a business mindset. Expect to spend money do your research and be patient.

[Scott]

My advice is to stay away from those with a "business mindset". They are more interested in lining their pockets than producing solid working dogs.