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« on: July 08, 2010, 08:47:37 pm » |
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After loosing several dogs and going through a bunch more... my outlook has changed quite a bit. Anyone that knew me a couple of years ago knew I didn't want anything to do with raising puppies. I started hog hunting with puppies and it was a long road, then had a few litters from those dogs that didn't turn out how I liked... swore I was through with pups.
The foundation dogs and breedings are already in place with this project, one female and two males. The first cross was made about 4 years ago. The four pups from that cross all made good and great dogs. The second cross was just made and I have ten pups that are 4 weeks old today. I will be keeping 4 or 5 of these and the rest will be placed with friends. Now, after talking it over with several people, I plan on crossing the female back to a direct son from the first litter sometimes next year. I have access to two sons that from what i'm told, money can't buy.
Also, we have several grandpups to the foundation female that are on their way to making goods dog at a year and a half old.
The research was done on the three foundation dogs and they all come from established lines, but all three are a different breed of cur dog. All three are also proven producers. The first male is dead now, I would have loved to make that cross again.
Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
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Scott
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 08:53:46 pm » |
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Mike, I'll email you a couple of things that may help.
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BoarBuster67
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 08:55:28 pm » |
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hey Mike I have 11 Brindle puppies how many you wont,lol
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firemedic
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 09:02:21 pm » |
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I too am done with puppy raising Mike,......I wish you the best of luck with your project. Sounds to me like you already know what you're doing and need no advice from an old redneck....lol Just keep us posted on how this goes....I'm interested in what you're trying here.
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Noah
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 09:04:01 pm » |
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I'll certainly be following this, may try it myself one day... let you do it first to see if it works!  |
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Circle C
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 09:09:07 pm » |
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Looking forward to seeing how this latest litter turns out. I know I have sure enjoyed hunting behind the parents.
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BoarBuster67
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 09:11:27 pm » |
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chris was that your dogs that got lost
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Circle C
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 09:16:29 pm » |
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Yes.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2010, 09:22:50 pm » |
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If these pups work as expected it will sure be nice! I would like to see a hunter/tweety cross and then cross those pus back over these buck/tweety pups that just hit the ground. Hat would tighten things up quite a bit. Then I would use those brandy brothers as an outcrossing on the following litters because it would still be line breeding and back to some of that older blood. There alot of flaws to my plan but on paper to me that would the optimal. I think just about anyway you cross around within that family will be good.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2010, 09:37:48 pm » |
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This topic has been the most interesting subject to me the past yr and i have read alot on it and talk regularly with 2 old timers who line breed very tight with outstanding results! I think your on the right track as you already know, I would continue to tighten it up with every cross you do. Seems to be the best way to stay in good dogs and not luck across them to me.
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Mike
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This topic has been the most interesting subject to me the past yr and i have read alot on it and talk regularly with 2 old timers who line breed very tight with outstanding results! I think your on the right track as you already know, I would continue to tighten it up with every cross you do. Seems to be the best way to stay in good dogs and not luck across them to me.
That's why the next cross will be Tweety to a direct son.  Then we will have plenty to work with from there on out. |
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Thats cool, I have tight bred BMC pups coming that all trace back to the Henry dog. Some on the stock side, some wb...This type of breeding makes the hobby alot of fun.
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Only thing I would suggest having with ur tight bred dogs is to get another tightly bred dog that comes from producers that is unrelated. Then take those oils back to ur tight bred inbred dogs. That way u always have a touch of hybrid vigor. That unrelatd dog is what people forget the most. Those hybrid dogs will ALWAYS pop and be grat products for u
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Which tdirect Tweety son will you take her back to?
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Krystal,
I can't speak for Mike, but I have a feeling that has yet to be decided.
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Mike
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Which tdirect Tweety son will you take her back to?
Not sure yet Krystal. The Obama dog is about 30 minutes away from me and the Blackie dog is in Lexington. I'm going to hunt with both to decide. |
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Mike
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Only thing I would suggest having with ur tight bred dogs is to get another tightly bred dog that comes from producers that is unrelated. Then take those oils back to ur tight bred inbred dogs. That way u always have a touch of hybrid vigor. That unrelatd dog is what people forget the most. Those hybrid dogs will ALWAYS pop and be grat products for u
That's funny you mention that Josh. I just happened to pick up a pup last weekend that fits your description. Just not sure when that cross would need to be bred in? |
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Only thing I would suggest having with ur tight bred dogs is to get another tightly bred dog that comes from producers that is unrelated. Then take those oils back to ur tight bred inbred dogs. That way u always have a touch of hybrid vigor. That unrelatd dog is what people forget the most. Those hybrid dogs will ALWAYS pop and be grat products for u
Mike,from what we talked about you may never actually need it with the variations and options you have already IMO. |
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duece24
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U use the unrelated dog when ur dogs begin to lose that pop. When ur litters begin to be a touch below what u normally produce introduce the unrelated pup. That litter will be what ur used to seeing. Take those pups back to ur tight bred dogs and breed as u feel until they get 'stale' again
If u are inbreeding and linebreeding there will come a time when u will need to introduce some new blood. If u keep it too tight too long ur blood will get stale. This is what we saw when we were breeding pits. When u take a tight bred dog introduce some new blood our pups were dynamite. Then when we took those pups back to our linebred dogs our consistency went back up
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Point taken Duce but with the variations he has to work with he could go on for 20 years before he gets stale and still keep what he like imo.
But I do get you what you are saying but he is starting with a bigger gene pool and much more diversity vs game bred apbt breeding programs.
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