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I sure would imagine that would have to b factored in with the way she is now , atleast if she was my dog and was doing that good at that young of a age and then got hit by a truck I would sure factor that in it might have hurt her but it didnt hurt her gene pool.
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Noelle, where do read we have jam up dogs, great dogs, exceptional dogs? Tweety is a good dog, Winchester was a good dog, their pups are good dogs... some of their grandpups are on their way to making good dogs. I haven't seen anyone claim them to be "great" dogs... you'll never see me brag on one of my dogs until it's dead and gone and earned bragging rights.  Also, where did you read they don't produce culls? |
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Circle c, to me she is a cull There's your answer... why do keep debating the topic? Cull her... |
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Thank u mike. I hate to judge her because of something that couldn't b helped but seems like it's the right thing to do... I'm just really confused cuz I don't think it has anything to do with her breeding as to why she's not that good
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Noelle, where do read we have jam up dogs, great dogs, exceptional dogs? Tweety is a good dog, Winchester was a good dog, their pups are good dogs... some of their grandpups are on their way to making good dogs. I haven't seen anyone claim them to be "great" dogs... you'll never see me brag on one of my dogs until it's dead and gone and earned bragging rights. With all the posts and threads and interest in the dogs and from what everyone has to say I guess I just assumed they were above average the way everyone talks... Didn't mean to put words in anyones mouth I'm not perfect sorry I jumped to the conclusion didn't mean u were braggin on them just seemed real popular so I figured they were. Not Bein a smart a$$ just misunderstood |
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Circle c, to me she is a cull but according to all of y'all y'all have jam up dogs out of the same litter and the whole line don't produce culls so which is it? It's a fine line between her Bein a cull and her bloodlines Bein a cull which is the point I'm trying to make. She obviously has an excuse for not Bein great but are the others really that great? If they are then why knock this gyp out the breeding program because she got ran over? Everyone has all the answers but don't seem like anyone can answer the question at hand!!! Are her genes good or bad enough braggin and story tellin get the facts out there... She got ran over so ain't great big deal what about her bloodlines? Can she not produce good dogs just cuz she got ran over???
You will never hear me say that all the dogs from that cross are jam up dogs. Nor will you hear me say that my sister to your dog is a jam up dog. She is a dog with plenty of range and bottom, but she works a track slow, she is mouthy, and sure likes a deer. Now, in her case, the good outweighs the bad for my situation. However, I don't plan on breeding her. Her brother, Hunter, is a very nice dog, one I would pay big money to have. He's the kinda dog I like. That litter, in my opinion was like many, some good, some so-so, some not so good... all depends on who the person is that is evaluating them, and what they are looking for in a dog. |
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Noelle,
You want an answer and here is mine... If she comes from a good line of dogs and she is a good dog but is disabled due to an accident but she was going to be a good dog any you know that from what you saw before her accident... then she is breed worthy.
If I understand you correctly, she and the dogs in her back ground hunts 300 yards deeper than your line of dogs and they also aren't as gritty which are 2 traits you are hoping to get.
If it were me I wouldn't worry about the extra 300 yards but would be focusing at making sure I cut down on the grit. I see this as real hard to do because if you breed her enough to lower the grit your original strain will actually become more of the bloodline of the female in question. If that bloodline looks and acts like your bloodline except for the traits you desire... then it is not a bad thing and you will just have to cull hard because keeping the right pups is very important...otherwise why even try it...
It would be better to find a male or another female from the said bloodline to breed back to one of your best dogs if it is available. If not then breed the female... This is how I would do it if I were in your situation. I am guessing 3 generations to have it somewhat consistent and that is assuming the pups are picked correctly...And I would be trying to get back to my strain in those 3 generations and still keep the 2 traits that you are after.
If you are trying to develop a bloodline this is how I would attempt it.
If I wanted a few good dogs with the right traits then I would pick a few pups that carry the traits and be done with it.
Again, not saying this is the right way but this is how I would map it out.
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Very informative Reuben thanks  |
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I know exactly what Winchester is out of- Bell was his momm awhich comes from the Winfrey stock as I am sure Travis told you about, Pistol (was my dog for several years) was the sire, whom is by Ben and out Ellie who both belonged to Danny Hill of Needville, Tx. Danny is no longer with us but his father (Mr.Hill) can tell you the whereabout the others came from as he aquired them out of Cattle Working stock dogs, bred by cattle men.
Tweety came from a man that got the two females out of the litter at about 5-6 months of age, gave them one chance to work cattle, they did not hit the ground working cattle, they were both given to M.H. and He started Tweety them in the woods a week later. I was there on her first hunt, first hog. Not leash broke, not used to anybody, never seen or worked a hog in a pen or seen any kinda game. She went hunting with the big dogs, when we headed out. She was at the second hog in the creek get thrown around as were the other dogs. From that day forward she struck hogs, and never slows down. That was a few years ago and has been one of the most consistant dogs I have ever known. She is black, but her littermate is a classic Catahoula, markings, and was told thesedogs are from papered dogs- Catahoulas
Winchester Straight East Texas Brindle cur with a touch of BMC as Pistol's grandaddy was supposed a dog named Ben that nobody is allowed to say his name without getting in trouble. Thats what was told to Danny Hill and he even told it to me, as it was told to his father, Mr. Hill, whom is a respected man, whom nobody had any reason to lie.
So NO they are not related, but tweety made her first and many hunts with Winchester.
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Circle c, to me she is a cull but according to all of y'all y'all have jam up dogs out of the same litter and the whole line don't produce culls so which is it? It's a fine line between her Bein a cull and her bloodlines Bein a cull which is the point I'm trying to make. She obviously has an excuse for not Bein great but are the others really that great? If they are then why knock this gyp out the breeding program because she got ran over? Everyone has all the answers but don't seem like anyone can answer the question at hand!!! Are her genes good or bad enough braggin and story tellin get the facts out there... She got ran over so ain't great big deal what about her bloodlines? Can she not produce good dogs just cuz she got ran over???
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I would have to agree with Reuben on this, If she is from good blood and was doing exceptional at a young age until this accident occured seems like a fit. If you do run short range, catch first dogs and need to add sum range and take away some grit seems like a good fit, From what Ive heard on this post a good portion of there bloodline turns out to have some range on them. What I have not heard is how mouthy are these dogs yall keep talking about Tweety and Winchester and Tweetys off-spring?  Are they dead silent, yip a little, real mouthy?? just curious |
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I would have to agree with Reuben on this, If she is from good blood and was doing exceptional at a young age until this accident occured seems like a fit. If you do run short range, catch first dogs and need to add sum range and take away some grit seems like a good fit, From what Ive heard on this post a good portion of there bloodline turns out to have some range on them. What I have not heard is how mouthy are these dogs yall keep talking about Tweety and Winchester and Tweetys off-spring? Are they dead silent, yip a little, real mouthy?? just curious . Brandy was yippy until she was a few years old, then pretty well went silent. Ruby goes between a little yippy to "damn, I wish she would shut up". Some of the others are silent. |
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Tweety is dead silent. The grandpups I raised, Hunter and Striker, are dead silent on track. But when one is jumped or breaks bay, they will sing it a song while they're on it's tail. Once the hog pulls ahead of them, they'll shut up.
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Good deal, I was curious I had never heard anyone mention it, I just assumed she was silent. Firgured you Texas guys didnt want that hog runnin to Mexico Circle C I got a pup just like that about 50/50 he will yip behind it alot but sometimes he is dead silent. Its really a coin toss. His sister is that black gyp that looks similar to Tweety, shes dead silent. They both love a hog but will also chase a deer real fast. Slowly but surely that shock collar is changin there mind. Matt |
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I also agree with Reuben .
You want an answer and here is mine... If she comes from a good line of dogs and she is a good dog but is disabled due to an accident but she was going to be a good dog any you know that from what you saw before her accident... then she is breed worthy.
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Txhogdogs, I did not own her when she got hit, got her afterwards and she is not disabled physically but I think Mayb it messed her up mentally I don't know... Either way despite popular opinion I have decided to line breed her back to some original blood, keep a pair of pups, and if they turn out good I will breed the pups into my dogs, if they don't then I will know for sure that it's not a good cross... Thanks for the good advice from u and Reuben |
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Txhogdogs, I did not own her when she got hit, got her afterwards and she is not disabled physically but I think Mayb it messed her up mentally I don't know... Either way despite popular opinion I have decided to line breed her back to some original blood, keep a pair of pups, and if they turn out good I will breed the pups into my dogs, if they don't then I will know for sure that it's not a good cross... Thanks for the good advice from u and Reuben Your going to line breed her? what male are you going to use? |
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noelle
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lmao thats classified information rite now...wont b a brother/sister cross or nothin but will b the same bloodline |
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lmao thats classified information rite now...wont b a brother/sister cross or nothin but will b the same bloodline Ok I see.... . Is he black, long range? |
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from what I gather not extremely long range but not short either...havent personally hunted him but thats a future objective to see how he hunts first and foremost, and not black, dark brindle
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