Opinions wanted - On catchdogs performance

[chainrated]

I went back and re-read your first post Cull buck. I was for some reason thinking this was a 6 year old dog. I missed the part where he was under 2 years old and that changes things a little. I don't think any dog is fully mature until he is over 2 years old, even bulldogs. I still would not like it that he quit but If the dog went back in and caught then I think giving him another shot would be fair.  He would have to earn my trust though..

[duece24]

I think that since that was his first serious cut he didnt expect it when it happened and didnt understand, it kind of surprised him.  He went back and caught the hog after you got to him and "calmed" him down.  I think he will be ok to keep hunting.

this topic is good. cull buck has already stated that he is keeping the dog, so no matter we say his mind is made up of the dog. his MAIN question was simply is the dog a cull and are his standards lower than most because he wants to keep the dog...

my opinion is simply that yes the dog is a cull. i could careless if it was his first time seeing a hog or his 1000th time seeing a hog, if a cd has to be "talked" into catching hog after it gets hit hard then it's a cull. the cd has one job..catch a hog no matter what and never let go. this is no different than a regripping dog. most all of us will cull a cd if they are always regripping. what is the difference than this dog?

next yes his standards are lower than mine for what i want in a cd. i want my cd to go to the bay hit on the front end of the hog and nto let go. i don't care if he gets hit hard before he gets to teh ear, that cd needs to be jumping up and running to get to that hog. a hog shaking a dog off or running a dog into a tree to get them off is one thing..long as that dog gets up right then and there and goes back to teh hog. i shouldn't have to slap sense into my cd cause he over there running in circles screaming like a girl...

[Bryant]

I think there's too many variables to say for sure.

Yeah, it's easy to sit behind a computer and say, "If it were MY catchdog..." or "...by all means a cull" but in reality who owns a dog that hasn't made a mistake?

Say for instance I have a dog who I consider the best cur dog that ever hunted.  Now you also have a buddy (we all know one) who has a piss-poor dog that he seems intent on always hauling around.  One day that piss-poor dog ups and finds a hog ahead of everything thing else.  Do you start culling curs?

One of my absolute best dogs a couple months ago took a notion that when I turned him out of the box he was going to straight shoot me the finger and crawl under the buggy.  I usually don't do this, but this went on for a few weeks until one day I had enough and he got the raw end of a pretty good switch.  Didn't take long and he got his mind right.  According to what I'm reading, I suppose now he's a cull.

Even with good breeding and goals in mind, dogs are simply not machines.  They think, reason, and make decisions all the time.  If you think you have a perfect dog, just brag on him to someone a little bit then take 'em hunting.

Personally, as (mentally) young as the dog AND being that this dog is 1/2 cur (if the one I'm thinking of) I would definately give him another shot.  If it happens again, then you might have some thinking to do.

[make-em-squeel]

Even with good breeding and goals in mind, dogs are simply not machines.  They think, reason, and make decisions all the time.  If you think you have a perfect dog, just brag on him to someone a little bit then take 'em hunting

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[Scott]

I think there's too many variables to say for sure.

Yeah, it's easy to sit behind a computer and say, "If it were MY catchdog..." or "...by all means a cull" but in reality who owns a dog that hasn't made a mistake?

Culling is rarely easy, but it is necessary and required.

One of my absolute best dogs a couple months ago took a notion that when I turned him out of the box he was going to straight shoot me the finger and crawl under the buggy.  I usually don't do this, but this went on for a few weeks until one day I had enough and he got the raw end of a pretty good switch.  Didn't take long and he got his mind right.  According to what I'm reading, I suppose now he's a cull.

IMO, I believe the comparison is apples to oranges.

Personally, as (mentally) young as the dog AND being that this dog is 1/2 cur (if the one I'm thinking of) I would definately give him another shot.  If it happens again, then you might have some thinking to do.

If it's half cur...then, personally, I wouldn't expect as much out of it, as I do out of a AB, APBT, Dogo, or crosses of these 3.

[duece24]

took the words right out of my mouth scott...great post.

[make-em-squeel]

took the words right out of my mouth scott...great post.

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[chainrated]

Say for instance I have a dog who I consider the best cur dog that ever hunted.  Now you also have a buddy (we all know one) who has a piss-poor dog that he seems intent on always hauling around.  One day that piss-poor dog ups and finds a hog ahead of everything thing else.  Do you start culling curs?

One of my absolute best dogs a couple months ago took a notion that when I turned him out of the box he was going to straight shoot me the finger and crawl under the buggy.  I usually don't do this, but this went on for a few weeks until one day I had enough and he got the raw end of a pretty good switch.  Didn't take long and he got his mind right.  According to what I'm reading, I suppose now he's a cull.

I don't think either of those comparisons really apply in this situation.
I do however agree that dogs are not machines.
And like scott said , if the dog is half cur I would not hold him to the same standard and would not consider him a catchdog.

[S_J_KENNELS]

To me a dog that has caught that many hogs, and at that age no matter what breed of catchdog is a cull. But not being there and knowing the full situation I can not say for sure. I would NEVER run him by himself again, and would run no less then two catchdogs at any time. One being him and another sure nuff catchdog. I do not believe in using only one catchdog, but that is my opinion.

[ETHHunters]

I personally would not hunt a cur or cur x as a main catchdog. I could never put all my trust that when things got tight the would be there until the end.

[bignasty]

ok ,what kind of dog(breed) is it? sorry if i missed it somewhere

[BigAinaBuilt]

I would heal him up and give him another try before making a judgement. Is he a cull? As you can see in the eyes some he could be but the final say rests in your eyes. Your standards and mine heavily differ due to our past experiences. When you release a CD the dog is gonna go in full speed ahead and depending on the position of the hog and other dogs it may not have a clean initial catch 100% of the releases and could run into an awkward position leaving itself open for a shot. It happens! I don't care what kind of breeding a dog has if you pinch a nerve you're gonna go through that initial "shock" which will put your balls on the ground faster then you can remember what you were trying to do.

[Texas_Cur]

ok ,what kind of dog(breed) is it? sorry if i missed it somewhere

The dog cull buck is talking about is a catdo. Catahoula X Dogo

[3-Bdogs]

well i would give the dog another chance if you like him and if you caught that many hog behind him i wouldn't be afraid to run right behind him also take into consideration im not that bright lol but that being said if it happens again he wouldn't walk out those woods with me again

[duece24]

bigA i agree to a ceratin extend. bulldogs are bred to be impervious to pain. they can feel that pain but they should have the mind set to be push through the pain and get the job done, not me slapping them to get them to act right. i've seen dogs bit so hard they have pissed right there on the spot and those dogs never made a sound they had one goal in mind. bulldogs are bred to be like that...if they don't have that mind set FOR ME i can't use them..i need a dog that doesn't need me to get them right after a big hit..they need to take that hit roll over and go get again son......and keep doing it till i say they need to stop...if they don't have that mindset they are a cull in my mind...will those dogs catch you plenty of hogs obviously they will as this dog has, but what happens when you go into another big bad sob and hits him again you are up a tree and your dogs are getting wrecked cause you took a known cull cd to the woods..its just to iffy for me..cullbuck will do as he pleases...i've got a dogo right now that if she don't do what she is supposed to do..i will take the hit to my pocket as hard as it may be, but she will get culled quick if she ain't getting the job done...

[hoghunterdfw]

Not sure if it being part catahoula makes any difference. Hell, I think we have all seen or heard of someone who will use purebreed cur dogs that hunt like and qualify as a solid "straight up catchdog". Like someone already said they are not machines and will never act perfectly all the time everytime.

[Noah]

Scott and Deuce24... we are talking about hog dogs, not fighting dogs... correct?

[UNDERDOG]

Scott and Deuce24... we are talking about hog dogs, not fighting dogs... correct?

Yes but most catchdogs are "bulldog" based and the history behind them is what makes them what they are as well as understanding the history of bulldogs/bullbreeds help w/ breeding good bulldogs/catchdogs.

[duece24]

these dogs are only flesh and bone..i totally understand that...i was a collegiate football player. during my playing days i played at about 175(i was a cb), when we played utah there was a time when i had to "stick my nose in there" on three 370+lbs men coming at me with a running start(i say men because utah is known for having a lot of mormons that don't enroll until they are 24-25 because of missions). i had to do this over and over throughout the game. my TEAM needed me to do that. i wasn't BRED to take on men a one full size bigger than me, i was built for speed and agility not brute power, but i did over and over again. it was what i needed to do that game to win. taking you guys standpoint if i had quit you would be okay with it...just let me play in another game...well that isn't how it works. when you quit you lose your position and you may never get it again, simply because you have shown the qualities of a quitter. the team now knows that when it gets tough you will quit on them. as a coach if i see that a player quits on me i won't play them again. they have shown they will quit on me so there is no need for them to play anymore. i hate a few things in this world one of them being a front runner....wel the same thought process goes for these dogs. they are apart of our team. their contribution is to catch the hog over and over again, no quit no back up. if you can't do that then you lose your job, never to be won again. it's like a pro team, if a player quits on you, during the off season(and sometimes in the middle of the season)you trade them out. they make work out for someone else. for me and my team they won't work...i've never quit so why would i allow my dogs to?

[Noah]

No, no, no....

To use your analogy... If we're comparing a catch dog to foot ball miss-match.... think of it like this....

I don't plan on going nose to nose with a man a 100#'s heavier than me... that would just be plain stupid.

Wait till he ain't lookin', however, and I'll bet you I can take him to his knees.... permanently....    

Ain't no such thing as a fair fight