Opinions wanted - On catchdogs performance

[duece24]

well noah you must not have played the game very long..lol...when you have a closed-in side and you are the edge player..the TE blocks down..then they pull a G, T, and a FB..then hand off to a TB that is 250..well buddy you have no choice but to stick your nose in there and take out the outside leg of the first guy you see. if i'm a coach and see that i got a guy that is going to back up everytime i run that play i will run it every single play until the other coach gives a player that will stop it..lol...same with the hogs. if they hit that dog and he backs up they are going to do it again and again...you can't be overthere screaming going in circles...you got to keep sticking your nose in there..it's what the team needs...

[Scott]

Scott and Deuce24... we are talking about hog dogs, not fighting dogs... correct?

I am speaking of bulldogs/catchdogs...not gamedogs

[Bump]

Duece 24...did any of them 350 lb m ormans have a pair of knives in their hands? 

[hoghunterdfw]

okay deuce24 i'm bored and your football analogy made me want to counter it with my own football analogy.

just like a team you got to run with the best guys/dogs you got. think about the catchdog like a kicker. The kicker/catchdog is a specialized unit on the team that has a unique job. most teams only have 1 kicker and 1 punter. most hunters usually only have 1 or 2 solid catchdogs. Now the guy said his catdo was young under 2 yrs old but had caught over 100 hogs and this was the first time he had ever done this. so you got a young kicker who has never missed a kick and one game he finally misses 3 or 4 kicks in a row but in the end, still hits the game winning field goal. well even though he missed a bunch of kicks, you can't just cut him from the team cuz NO ONE ELSE ON YOUR TEAM CAN BE KICKER cuz they are real football players not kickers. and then in the offseason realize that there really aren't that many good kickers available on the open market just average ones. so you gonna replace your near perfect kicker thats only done you wrong one game for a random one on the open market, who might also end up letting you down. its the same with dogs, if you decide to cull him for just the one mistake, what are your options to replace him? you can't replace it with a cur cuz it won't catch like a catchdog. a random bulldog? who knows if it will catch solid or even as good as the one you had been working on for 2 years. you gonna raise another bulldog pup? cuz you need a replacement in the meantime. I say keep going with what you got unless he lets you down again, but get a good backup prepared just in case. well I guess if you got two catchdogs you can always give the punter an audition.

[duece24]

nope they sure didn't... but 350 running down hill at 175 can cause concussions, paralysis, dislocated shoulders, pinched nerves and everything inbetween...after that game i was covered in ice the whole flight back to houston. i had every reason to quit during that game, that stuff hurt plain and simple, but I NEVER QUIT...it was my job to do that knives on them or not..the catch dog has a vest on right...i mean we are now making excuses for the catchdog...are you guys as lieneint with your bay dogs...say there is a hog right there at the side of the road, but they haul but down the road and never find hog that day...do you say that dog is just having a bad day? their job is to find hogs..i'm pretty sure if you see a hog and your dogs don't find it we would all cull those dogs..so why are we being so lienient with the catchdogs? their job is to catch under any means neccessary AND never quit catching...

the above post for some reason wouldn't go through, so i copied it and backed out and now adding on to it..lol

i like that analogy, it is a great one...ask bobby bowden how important the kicker is. fsu missed out on a host of nc's becaue their kicker could never seal the deal(and they were good in most games, but never showed up when they needed them most). they always got another "top rated" kicker in the off season. actually i played through a season where our kicker missed ONE PAT the whole year. he missed that kick in the last game of the season...guess what? we lost that game by one point, if we had won that game we would have been bowl eligible and we would have won conference outright. while i was in college out head coach always had two place kickers and one punter. the punter early on was taught how to place kick. if i'm the head coach i'm looking for another kciker as this kiker has shown that he can't handle pressure. you can't go into a game knwoing that if you need them there is a good chance they will chock. it changes how you coach teh game and how you call plays. i don't need that.

if i have nothing but that one dog then i will probally keep them UNTIL i found me another dog that was already catching. soon as i found a catch dog that i liked the other one is culled. i know teh other one will quit, they have showed me that, its time to see what the new one will do. while that is going on i most likely would be searching for a good cd breeder to get a pup from. i would say that the dog needs to get fixed as it isn't a top notch cd so there is no need in breeding it..

[BarrNinja]

Duece 24...did any of them 350 lb m ormans have a pair of knives in their hands? 

BWAHAHAHAHA! GOOD ONE BUMP! I do believe that would even make a difference to a collage football player! lol

Just for the record cullbuck, one of the two of my best all time catch dogs was a double registered Cat. The other was BMC X PIT. I would love to try a catdo for catching hogs! I still think your dog is a keeper for now.

This had been a great thread for me guys. Its pretty obvious we all have different standards in catch dogs. Even with all the good debate and experiences shared, I’m not sure if “catch till the death” is a higher standard in my book but Im going to leave it alone for a while.

[duece24]

it's quit funny until you are the one that is out there doing it...i played with a guy in college that shattered his kidney in three big pieces in the first quarter recovering a fumble...HE PLAYED THE WHOLE FIRST HALF AND DIDN'T KNOW THIS....so you right we don't have knives or guns but SERIOUS damage can be done out there...this kid at half time was looked over and they rushed him to the hospital and he ended up losing his kidney and his football career was over...this kid didn't quit, he is that type of kid i want on my team. the kid that feels pain and has to be "slapped" to get going again...ya'll can have them, i went 2-8 with a bunch of those type of kids..we had a few i wish i could clone...this is a great thread i will say the only time i would expect my dog to let go is if they were drowning, but soon as they came up they should be swimming to the hog to catch again....maybe i just expect too much...catch without quitting

[pesakaa]

Hey bud, i usually don't like to post but i thought since I have personally hunted with the dog and have had the chance to hunt with a variety of other catchdogs this would be a good time to put in my 2 cents along with the rest. In my opinion. 1. any catch dog can get thrown because ears tear! 2. A Hog can not only cut and injure a dog in half a second, but if the cut was in his butt the odds are the first lick was to his head and hard enough to knock him sideways? it happens to proffesional boxers and I bet KO's happen to dogs too. Just maybe between KO and cutt. it left him a little lost and in a lot of pain.  I know he has little back down in him. he has not showed any weakness in his want to catch for a good while. I have been able to leg several of his hogs and find it hard to believe he up and quit. I was thinking about self preservation, and cold hearted hammer heads! I personally like 3/4 hammer head!!!

[duece24]

i think we all agreed that getting thrown is one thing, getting knocked silly is one thing..but to be "screaming like a girl running in circles" and having to slap them around to get their heads straight(this was stated by cullbuck)is a whole other thing...i definantly understand it would be hard to believe that after 100 or so hogs this dog showed this trait, but it happens to the best of them. like i said in an earlier post..if i have no other cd i keep him, but i will feverishly be searching for something to take his place. i would NEVER hunt with just him as a cd and i would fix him to make sure he couldn't be bred....

[H.E.A.T.]

IMO I wouldn't cull him! I have a Boodro  CD that was 5 years old, when he got cut on his juggler. I had the vest and collar on him but still got him good. He went in and snatched ahold of the ear and held on. He was slung a few times, granted this was a 300+ hog, then the last time he swung him and got his neck. As I was running into get dogs off, the CD let go and walked out of the woods and passed out! He was loosing blood like crazy! The wife applied a shirt over his neck. No longer then her getting it covered he was back at it again. We let him heal up for 6 weeks or so and took him out again. He did his job and never came off this time.

Luckily we had 2 CD and a hand full of bay dogs to back up the wounded CD.

So you really cant tell what to do with the dog till you see what he does next hunting trip!

Hope your dog turns out to be one of the best after this!

[bignasty]

ok ,what kind of dog(breed) is it? sorry if i missed it somewhere

The dog cull buck is talking about is a catdo. Catahoula X Dogo

thank you, in that case i would let him slide just this one time

[raider54]

Well BigNasty, I think after 4 pages you have learned 2 things

1. 98% of the hunters here think he will probably be fine.

2. Duece24 dont want to buy your dog......lol

[BarrNinja]

Well BigNasty, I think after 4 pages you have learned 2 things

1. 98% of the hunters here think he will probably be fine.

2. Duece24 dont want to buy your dog......lol

 

[duece24]

right you are bob fox...i too agree he will probally be fine...and no i don't want to buy that dog, my standards are higher than that...if he was on my yard if i had no other dogs he would stay until i could find another i liked...he of course wouldn't be bred and i would be searching for another linebred pup from catchdog parents...it's funny how backhandedly i'm being doggged because i have high standards for what i want in my catchdog....that is really hilarious to me...i'm being laughed at because i want a dog better than that...amazing...lol...well at least anyone who ever buys a dog from me(if i ever sell one to date i have GIVEN all my pups away) will know that parents have NEVER quit so they can expect that in their dogs...OOOHHH the horror, a catchdog that catches without quitting

[BarrNinja]

right you are bob fox...i too agree he will probally be fine...and no i don't want to buy that dog, my standards are higher than that...if he was on my yard if i had no other dogs he would stay until i could find another i liked...he of course wouldn't be bred and i would be searching for another linebred pup from catchdog parents...it's funny how backhandedly i'm being doggged because i have high standards for what i want in my catchdog....that is really hilarious to me...i'm being laughed at because i want a dog better than that...amazing...lol...well at least anyone who ever buys a dog from me(if i ever sell one to date i have GIVEN all my pups away) will know that parents have NEVER quit so they can expect that in their dogs...OOOHHH the horror, a catchdog that catches without quitting

People have different standards in dogs. Just because yours may differ doesn’t necessarily mean they are higher or better.

 Whats funny to me is that this debate has been mostly tit for tat. What bothers me is that everyone that has bothered to comment on this thread probably has a dang good catch dog or two..............sept me! If only miracle grow worked on catch dog prospects! lol

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Cullbuck,

Please get in touch with me.  I have something I would like to share with you, however, I don't have the time to type it all out.  PM me your phone # please.

Regards,
Josh

[Crib]

It's your dog, do what you will with it. Of course, if anyone else or their dogs are injured b/c of the dog you should take full responsibity.

[Black&Yellow]

ive had my fair share of cds too. Its just like life in general you get a chance so why cant the dog? No im not tryin to be soft hearted but just one time dont mean nuthin yea it raises some eyes will he do it again? I had my bay dog get his shoulder cut open at a bay competition and he quit bayin but i cleaned him up and he ran again and yes he was very cautious about what he was doin after that and still will be and maybe thats what it took to put some "brains" into him and make a better choice. My other cd which passed away recently he was a older dog and yea he never quit on me but he got cut sometimes and whined on me because his cuts hurt him and no i didnt think different of him because he still went backin there and caught like a champ. You said you sent yours back in there and he caught. Theres a time to bea hard butt and times not to be.

[Reuben]

to simply answer your question...yes your standards are lower than most for a catchdog. i believe everyone that i hunt with would cull that cd if they were "spinning in circles screaming like a girl". the cd is supposed to be the muscle to your pack, that is why we say "we sent in the calvary and it was a SEALED DEAL". they are supposed to seal the deal. having a catchdog that gets hit and hollers like that is like having a bodyguard that hears a gunshot and they take off running and leave the person they were supposed to be protecting. they get paid to put their life on the line for those people. well the cd is "paid" to put their life on the line to catch hogs. when they don't do that they are no longer a cd. as hard as it may be to hear...that my friend is a cull.....

Josh, I agree 100%.

I have not seen so many culls in the APBT as some folks have though. I think that knowing dogs and picking pups/dogs correctly in the pit breed helps. Also, IMO, training and timing are important. You must have an idea if the pup is ready and mature enough to catch a big bad boar. It is best to start the pup or young dog on a smaller hog to instill confidence. Twice in the pen should be enough if it is the right catch dog.

[duece24]

I wouldn't call my cd dang good yet I'm still in the process of training her and getting more woods catches under her belt. I had a baydog also get bit in the side by a hog and she came out hollering then she went back and found that hog again. Is a baydog I don't need want or expect her to act like a bulldog. As I continue to evaluate this dogo that I have she will be held to the standard of going in hitting the front end and staying there if she doesn't do that then I will have to cull her...or as in stated earlier keep her all the while watching for a cd that does what I want. And she definantly wouldnt be bred

U are right it was in bad taste to call my standards higher they are just different