PUMA 16" Barrel is it legal?

[BarrNinja]

like the cops say in bell county "You might beat the rap. But you wont beat the ride" Id print the law and be nice  and polite
and most cases  things will be ok
       

This advice will even work on the incompetent a$$hole officer with the tape measure! It can sure be hard with some of them. Most cops act like you don’t have a clue about a gun unless you have a badge like theirs. They have their reasons though.

I have had my run ins with the law on hunts. You just got to nice them to death and cooperate so you can get to huntn.

[rdjustham]

Doesn't matter what dirty tricks a cop wants to play with a tape measure. The Puma cary bines areapproved for import to the USA by the BATF. Just another tin badge clown with no comprehension of the law. People like that shouldn't have jobs in law enforcement.

All im sayin is being polite will get you further.  But based on the above statement id say youve spent a night or two in the gray bar hotel..  Just a suggestion, try gettting shot at a few times for enough money to be in debt to everyone...These kinda statements piss me off..Would you spit on a soldier too???

[charles]

i feel the same way machine73 does, if the LEO is to dumb to know the law he/she is trying to inforce or making a law up as they see fit to inforce, they shouldnt be aloud to carry the badge.  i have been shot at more than a few times and hav limped a helicopter back with an RPG in the fusalage ( thank goodness it didnt explode). as u said rdjustham, there are dirty cops and we may/may not have any interaction with them, but if they r dumb, then there is NO cure stupid. that tape measure cant be adjusted to read what the officer wants it say, if the law reads 16" then there aint no way with out leaving tool marks from cutting the weapon that even the dumbest cop can pass 16" off as 15 3/4". i do aplaud the police of any fashion for what they do and having to deal with all sorts of folks on a daily basis, but a dumb cop is more dangerous than any loaded gun, b/c the cop has a partial brain and a loaded gun and knows just enuf on how to use it to get in trouble or worse, kill some1.

[rdjustham]

i feel the same way machine73 does, if the LEO is to dumb to know the law he/she is trying to inforce or making a law up as they see fit to inforce, they shouldnt be aloud to carry the badge.  i have been shot at more than a few times and hav limped a helicopter back with an RPG in the fusalage ( thank goodness it didnt explode). as u said rdjustham, there are dirty cops and we may/may not have any interaction with them, but if they r dumb, then there is NO cure stupid. that tape measure cant be adjusted to read what the officer wants it say, if the law reads 16" then there aint no way with out leaving tool marks from cutting the weapon that even the dumbest cop can pass 16" off as 15 3/4". i do aplaud the police of any fashion for what they do and having to deal with all sorts of folks on a daily basis, but a dumb cop is more dangerous than any loaded gun, b/c the cop has a partial brain and a loaded gun and knows just enuf on how to use it to get in trouble or worse, kill some1.

Agreed!!! Mahine's first post ame off as just tell the op what is what and thers nothing they an do.  All im trying to say is carry the statue/ordinance (what ever you guys in texas all it) with you and POLITELY explain that based on this you thought it was acepptable and provide them with the opy you have.  When you tell the op no you ant searh it seems like you have something to hide.  then there are a number of ways to get into someones vehicle legally without their consent and without a warrant.  then your just asking to go to jail.  the 15 3/4 was just an example.  and on a side note, the "law" is not just what is printed in the state statue book, we also have to memorize case law, county ordinances, all of which changes on a daily basis so easy on the "dumb" cop he may just not have seen today's new case law.   That being said i have worked with some STUPID STUPID people that had no buisness in the uniform, but really who hasnt???

[leonriverboy]

Rdjustham,  Thank God we don't live in Nazi Germany or Red China, what you proposing, to agree to an illegal search is absolutly insane there is no way a cop or any government official are going to receive consent from me to search anything.  I have a Contstititional right against illegal searches .  Too many brave men and women have fought and died I defense of these right to just throw them away at the whim of any cop.  In Texas the only way to legally search is through probable cause, a warrant or consent anything beyond this is illegal.  I never have anything to hide but that isn't the issue an illegal search is not going to happen on my watch and I would strongly eurge others to do the same.  Don't allow cops to break the laws of this land that were paid for with so much American Blood.  Just say NO to illegal searches.

[Amokabs]

Just looked at their website and the puma josh randall lookin lever action firearm is sold as a HANDGUN! Not a rifle. Carry that bad boy all u want, but under law pertaining to a handgun. American rifleman just did an article on that weapon and a few other lever action rifles that just came out.

[rdjustham]

Ok sine what im saying is falling on deaf ears, and you guys are missing the point im trying to make, whih is what ever you decide BE NICE, and for those of you that think, warrant or consent is the only way to get into a vehicle, ill add this A. Man i think i smell weed.  B..FURTIVE MOVEMENT (and just about any movement can be considered furtive..just reaching for your wallet, registration etc.) If you have nothing to hide let the man do his job and move on.  EITHER WAY BE POLITE, take it for what its worth..

[machine73]

Actually I spent 9 years active duty in the USAF as a security forces troop. our version of an MP. So you have the wrong idea there hoss. I have 4 tours in Iraq and spent a lot of time in some really shady places with only my M4 and a small team of other joes. And what I don't appreciate is tin badge cops hassling people for not doing a damn thing wrong. I fought for freedom and won't stand it being usurped on our home shores by anyone exceeding thier authority. That's ridiculous. Cops have a tough job and good ones deserve our respect. But bad ones only deserve scorn and to be fired. If a cop doesn't know the lawnhe shouldn't be enforcing it. That's pretty straight forward. Ignorance is no defense. And no i have never been in jail and have no axe to grind against LE. I just hate d!ck$ that don't know what the fudge they are talking about.

[Tusk Hog]

   Reading through this debate only brings one thing to mind. We each need to realize how many of our rights and freedoms are trampled on each and everyday. How many times something is done against our constitutional rights by our government. Remember in November and vote. If not we will really be heading into bad places.

[leonriverboy]

Rdjustham, the question I have for you if you stopped me for a traffic violation and did not have a search warrant, lacked probable cause and asked to search and I knowing my Constitutional Rights afforded to all citizens denied your illegal search are you telling me that you would make up or lie that you smelled pot or I made some sort of furtive movement for a weapon?  Is that what your training has taught you to lie in order to illegally receive access to a persons vehicle?  That is exacelly what they did in Nazi Germany and Communist China maybe you can lie and cheat and get away with that in Florida but in Texas we hold a
our law enforcement to a higher standard and don't allow them to crap on the Constitution.  Cops in Texas who try these Nazi tactics careers are very short lived and some of them end up in Huntville where they belong.

[dub]

The cop said "sawed off"? That is an altered weapon. If it is factory then it is not sawed off even if it was a 2" barrel. May not be legal but it is not sawed off. But you handled yourself better than the cop did! Cops like that get under my skin.