leopards?????

[sfboarbuster]

Back home in Florida, we consider any dog that has catahoula in it to be a leopard dog. I'm huntin two good close range leopard curs right now up here in Tennessee.

I say the same thing, but there's some that have NO ties to the catahoula at all.

[Wmwendler]

A little shot of the old time July would help most lines of curs these days. I have found one in La. and am thinking about trying some crosses. All lines of curs have all kinds of stuff put in them over the years. The old new and improved trick. The only thing, some people are honest about it and some are not. Ray Charles could look at some of the registered Dogs these days and see it.

I respect your opinion on Cur dogs and we have allot of the same views on whats makes a top notch Cur dog.  So it promts me to ask.  What would you be looking to add with a cross like that.  A chade more bottom maybe? or Cold trailing?  And don't you think it would water down the stock working abilities?

Waylon

[hogaholicswife]

I had never really heard of a Catahoula until the bay dog competitions here back in early 2000, when I first saw them, I thought they were the ugliest things around and that my curr dog looked like a super model (no offense).   

I can say that I dont know exactly where the coloring comes from in the curr dogs down here but now  I am curious and going to have to ask next time we are down south to see if I can find out where the leopard gene may have started at??

This is my old Leopard Curr, she is about 13 years old and came off a ranch here in Okeechobee from family friends.  Her daddy/grand momma were leopards and her momma was a black/tan out of cow/hog dogs. 

She does have the double coat like Cward mentioned, if you put a collar on her you will be scraping the ick off with a knife and if you run your fingers along her coat you can feel the difference and see a lighter coat beneath it.  Her coat is also strangely oily.

I took her cow hunting when she was younger but she was never above average, she loved a hog but was rough and liked to catch on the front leg so I just kept her as a pet.   She is a wanderer and extremely sneaky/hard headed.  She is one that if you let her out and she thinks your back is turned she is leaving and you are not liable to see her for days.  We are about 5 miles out of town and people have seen her as far as the high school, which is quite a few miles from the house.  She is also the type that you can call her and she will stand there/talk to you then turn around and trot off or she may hide in the tall grass where you cant see her lmao it gets the husband every time 

She used to have a blocky head but the older she has gotten the narrower her face has become…..


This is Lucy, she is a yellow dog with darker yellow patches.  Her grandma had a cracked eye but was a yellow dog with a few black splotches along her back almost like a saddle. 
She is real timid natured but hard headed, her coat isn’t anything like my old dog’s though.

[rdjustham]

Dont know where she got the coloring from, others in the litter were spotted up and a few were yella one was solid black.  Momma was darker colored leopardxcur dad was a reddish cur.. littermates were all blocky headed this one has a real narrow head but all the other traits of a fl leopard dog 

[buddybegone]

here's one almost like tghe one's we had when we were kids 55 years ago   

[warrent423]

Back home in Florida, we consider any dog that has catahoula in it to be a leopard dog. I'm huntin two good close range leopard curs right now up here in Tennessee.

guess thats a more straightforward way of putting what i was trying to say..lol

10-4

[gtown dogger]

buddy begone / i had one jus like tht i sold had a double coat and headed dog fighting sucker but i think it was what eveyone is asking bout ill get a pic of him up soon . he didnt have glass eyes but split eyes he was jus to darn hard headed for me but hunted his ass off each time .

[pig snatcher]

Registered lepord hound I used to have. Came from Lamar Meeks in GA.





Lepord dog and two good dogs I lost last year baying a hog.

A friend of mine in north GA has some with longer hair and flag tails. Kinda German Sheppord length hair.

[tnhillbilly]

Registered lepord hound I used to have. Came from Lamar Meeks in GA.





Lepord dog and two good dogs I lost last year baying a hog.

A friend of mine in north GA has some with longer hair and flag tails. Kinda German Sheppord length hair.

there you go.  the one in the top pic looks very close to the one i had, american leopard cur/hound   not louisiana catahoula leopard.  two very different  BUT similar in color, breeds.

[BA-IV]

Well I will throw a picture of a dog I have up that is out of those old stock of cur dogs I was talking about...He's not the best representation of the dogs, but he still has alot of the old characteristics from them...I can't really tell you how he hunts to much since Im in Iraq right now, but I kept three dogs out of the litter...He was light yellow brindle, and his littermate brother and sister were deep brindled...Now he is easy going cuz he's been messed with alot more, but on my two weeks R&R, i started his sister, and she has no liking for anyone but me or my father, cuz he has been around her feeding her since I been gone...I gotta notion to breed her to the dark leopard I have out the old blood to keep it going...These dogs are out of the old blood crossed up with a good glass eyed gyp from N. LA, I really think she is just a ring necked catahoula, but I wanted some puppies out the dog, and I didn't have many options on gyps



This pup is 10months old here and you can almost see the top knot in the picture and his ears break over like the old dogs did.  Now the funny thing, I had 3 dogs I gave away out the bunch, and I told the two gentleman I gave them to that they were cur dogs...Most people call think all cur dogs are catahoulas, and if there not catahoulas, then they are crossed up with mutts, and a cur is pretty much a cull...I grew up around the old stock of dogs calling them cur dogs, and I firmly believe that the old stock is the cur dog, and thats what I'm talking about when I say cur dog...And like I said there is better looking dogsby all means, he just throws some of the old traits out that I like to see.

[BA-IV]

By the way, I know this was started as a Leopard dog thread, but it kinda shifted to the old style of dogs, and when your talking about them dogs, your talking bout dark leopards, black and tans, brindle and when i say brindle i mean the deep tiger striping, and black dogs...Thats just my .02 though.

[TCB-Vince]

Ok begone your dog looks completely different tnhillbilly? I thought these leopard dogs look more like curs then a hound? Begone dog looks like what everyone saying they look like. And I'm starting to wonder if that how the catahoula first looked like and after people breeding over these years have changed the breed up and has mess/difinded them. This is just my opinion. But the leopard hounds look hounds to me and no where like a cur dog. I've seen catahoulas look just like begone dog and there catahoulas and not leopard dog. Dunno to me it's all so damn close to the same.

[skoalbandett]

A little shot of the old time July would help most lines of curs these days. I have found one in La. and am thinking about trying some crosses. All lines of curs have all kinds of stuff put in them over the years. The old new and improved trick. The only thing, some people are honest about it and some are not. Ray Charles could look at some of the registered Dogs these days and see it.

I respect your opinion on Cur dogs and we have allot of the same views on whats makes a top notch Cur dog.  So it promts me to ask.  What would you be looking to add with a cross like that.  A chade more bottom maybe? or Cold trailing?  And don't you think it would water down the stock working abilities?

Waylon,
Bob and I been running together for 45 or 50 years now. Married his sister 42 years ago. I have never seen him breed his ETBMC dogs to nothing but an ETBMC cur dog in all these years. I would have to see that before I’d believe he’d actually do it.
But like he told ya, if he dose breed one just to test it out, he’ll tell the straight up facts about it. That is going to have to PROVE to be some kind of special dog before he tries that.. But no way can I ever see him getting away from Stock dogs, that is what he is and who he is. It’s too important to him they maintain those traits and that ability. The July dog he is speaking of belongs to a friend of ours who is a good dog man and always been a straight up feller. The dog is the old style July dog bred straight and tight from dogs from many years back. This friend is blow away by this July dog. If half the stories are true the dog has to show up in a super man cape. lol  
We hunted some July x BMC pups for Howard Carnathan one time when he was experimenting. (But the world aint suppose to know he did that.. lol )Those particular dogs were totally useless for much of anything.

I just wish everyone could have lived down here and grew up being around Mr. Tom.. He could read  your mind and tell you exactly what you wanted to hear, still dose in written form with many... That man could sell a eksimo a ice box... and it goes on and on even with  him gone... Lordy if some of started telling stories no one would believe it.. lol  Hey Bob, tell em about the time you trained the first Dingo he imported... hahahahah

[BA-IV]

Hey Skoal,

You sound just like the old cowboys I grew up around telling stories drinking coffee...I was young 5 or 6 but still remember the stories like it was yesterday...I sure would love to see some of those stock dogs if you ever got around to finding a picture or two.

[ETHHunters]

WAYLON I WOULDNT KNOCK IT BEFORE I TRIED IT. IVE SEEN TOO MANY  WITH JUST THAT CROSS THAT ARE AS GOOD DOGS AS YOU COULD ASK FOR. I HAVENT BEEN DOING THIS NEAR AS LONG AS BIGO BUT TO ME THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GO. THEIR MUST BE SOMETHING HE SEE'S JUST TO EVEN THINK ABOUT TRYING IT. I SHOULDNT SAY TRY IT BECAUSE I KNOW IT WILL WORK.

[skoalbandett]

Hey Skoal,

You sound just like the old cowboys I grew up around telling stories drinking coffee...I was young 5 or 6 but still remember the stories like it was yesterday...I sure would love to see some of those stock dogs if you ever got around to finding a picture or two.

There is an old post with some pics of some of these dogs over the years BA. I'll see if I can get a link to it.

 Found it in some old post of mine but I dont know  how to link it from last year.

 GENERAL CATEGORY / GENERAL DISCUSSION / Matt- Owens Cur dogs

[zachW]

Registered lepord hound I used to have. Came from Lamar Meeks in GA.





Lepord dog and two good dogs I lost last year baying a hog.

A friend of mine in north GA has some with longer hair and flag tails. Kinda German Sheppord length hair.

there you go.  the one in the top pic looks very close to the one i had, american leopard cur/hound   not louisiana catahoula leopard.  two very different  BUT similar in color, breeds.

To me the top dog looks like a black and tan hound?   What makes that dog a leopard hound?   

[tnhillbilly]

O.K. let me try this again, i am not the best with words, and dang sure aint no proffesional, and dont have have a world of knowledge about either one but do know a little, as i have owned both types/breeds.

   The question was asked what was the difference between a leopard cur and a catahoula.

  AMERICAN LEOPARD CUR/hound  was called a cur for years until the past couple of years, they were recognized by the U.K.C. so that they could compete in the coon hunts and gain recognition for their tracking and treeing ability. the only way that the U.K.C. would recognize them as a breed was if they changed the cur to hound.
   Now these American leopard curs are not like curs at all,  they are known to have very cold noses even for a hound, and are tree dogs.  YES  they VERY MUCH resemble a hound in all aspects. they do come spotted, but also come black and tans, high tans,  just like the cats.  but have the long ears, cold noses, and big bawl mouths.   

[tnhillbilly]

What i am trin to say is
AMERICAN LEOPARD CUR/hound
                                                              = 2 different breeds
lousiana catahoula cur
 
As far as the origination of these two breeds, i dont have a clue,  did the american leopard curs come from the catahoulas?  IDK
  All i do know is that they have very different charecteristics, and traits such as hot nose, cold nose,   short range, long range,   short ears long ears,  the only common thing about the two is that they will both run and bay hogs, and are alot alike in color.

    Is there a difference in the two?  YES, there most definitly is.

hope i didnt confuse anybody worse than they already was.   lol

[BA-IV]

So to simplify things...Hopefully I get this right
American Leopard Curs/Hounds that look like a hound
The Catahoula Leopard
Old stock dogs that are curs that AIN'T catahoulas

Seems fair enough...That is about what I am seeing...I maybe wrong, but thats what I'm getting...Hell they may all be related somewhere along down the line, but all three are very much different