leopards?????

[pig snatcher]

Registered lepord hound I used to have. Came from Lamar Meeks in GA.





Lepord dog and two good dogs I lost last year baying a hog.

A friend of mine in north GA has some with longer hair and flag tails. Kinda German Sheppord length hair.

there you go.  the one in the top pic looks very close to the one i had, american leopard cur/hound   not louisiana catahoula leopard.  two very different  BUT similar in color, breeds.

To me the top dog looks like a black and tan hound?   What makes that dog a leopard hound?   

UKC papers that say it is a lepord.  

A lot of the lepord hounds are black and tan, hi tan or solid. 

[Florida Curdog]

Duke an old Florida leopard dog I use to have. He had cracked eyes, winded very well, was completely silent on track and would catch like a bulldog      Not a very good pic of him I'll try to find some more.

 

[Wmwendler]

I'm not sayin its a bad idea just curious about what he thinks it might add.

Waylon

[tnhillbilly]

Duke an old Florida leopard dog I use to have. He had cracked eyes, winded very well, was completely silent on track and would catch like a bulldog      Not a very good pic of him I'll try to find some more.

 

what would that pig be? catahoula, leopard cur, old cur, fla leopard?  Just sayin

[Florida Curdog]

That's a Florida marsh hog    They are pretty rank too.

[bigo]

Waylon, when I first started hunting hogs, I hunted some with an old man that really touted the July Cur cross. His dogs didn't have much hunt or bottom so I could see where he was comming from. It was allways in the back of my mind to try it, if I could find the right July. Meanwhile, I had to work with what I had. I was lucky to be handed some pretty good dogs to start with and have had to cull hard to get dogs good in all departments, hunt,nose,tracking ability,and bottom,still do. The whole package doesn't come along everyday in cur dogs, I don't care who breeds them. Yes the July would hurt the stock working ability but might enhance what I have beat my brains out to get in the other departments. I will probably do it just to see what will happen, but they will be for hog hunting only and I would never breed them into all of the dogs Skoal and I have. I will probobly kick myself in the rear after I've done it because we are running out of room to hunt what we have.

[BarrNinja]

It sure will be interesting to see what kind of results you get out of them if you decide to do it bigo!

[Hog Dog Mike]

How can you tell a leopard from a Plott?

[Reuben]

How can you tell a leopard from a Plott?

You need to be more specific. Leopard could be any leopard colored dog...

Leopard cur is the same as a Leopard hound and then you have the Catahoula Leopard.

The leopard cur/hound are totally different from the Catahoula leopard. The leopard cur was bred strictly for hunting and most are open, cold nosed go yonder type of dogs.

[rdjustham]

How can you tell a leopard from a Plott?

You need to be more specific. Leopard could be any leopard colored dog...

Leopard cur is the same as a Leopard hound and then you have the Catahoula Leopard.

The leopard cur/hound are totally different from the Catahoula leopard. The leopard cur was bred strictly for hunting and most are open, cold nosed go yonder type of dogs.

This is where geography plays a part.  as stated earlier in Fl or at least where im from leopard is anything spotted up or multi colored (with the exception of brindle) and generally mixed with a Fl cur.  I never even heard of a catahoula until i started playin on the net a couple years ago.  We just call them leopards, black and tans, saddle backs or yella dogs.  If its a hound its called a hound if its a cur its called a cur.  the old timers and boys i hang around with generalize alotta things.  theres basically six different types of dogs.  Cow dogs, hog dogs, hounds, curs, culls and pot lickers (yard dogs or mommas pet). 

[DubbleRDawgs]

ba-iv  it dont matter what that dog is crossed with good looking dog  jmo 

[BA-IV]

Appreciate it DubbleR, im trying to get a picture of his sister...there getting a late start cuz of this deployment, but my brother in law is hunting them and they are turning on nicely.

[tnhillbilly]

How can you tell a leopard from a Plott?

[kinnidi]

mcduffie developed the "leopard cur" now known as the "leopard hound".
one of the foundation studs was supposedly half or one quarter aussie (or some type of merle farm shepard)...they were bred as tree and woods dogs.

they are completey different than the catahoula leopard curs of the south, those were dogs developed
in the same fashion with much the same genetic origen as the yellow black mouth dogs...

there is no doubt that mcduffie used some of the catahoula type leopards to develop his line of "leopard curs".

[Reuben]

mcduffie developed the "leopard cur" now known as the "leopard hound".
one of the foundation studs was supposedly half or one quarter aussie (or some type of merle farm shepard)...they were bred as tree and woods dogs.

they are completey different than the catahoula leopard curs of the south, those were dogs developed
in the same fashion with much the same genetic origen as the yellow black mouth dogs...

there is no doubt that mcduffie used some of the catahoula type leopards to develop his line of "leopard curs".

J. Richard McDuffie talked a lot about the farm Shepard. The way he described them I envisioned an Australian Shepard that wasn't of the show type that was bred for farm use and they could tree and hunt and watch over the farm. I read his articles for years and I don't remember him saying anything about breeding in any shepard but that doen't mean he didn't. I remember him talking about the farm shepard and it sounded to me that it was a small area where a few farmers kept these type of dogs. He liked what he saw in the farm shepard and was trying to help form a registry for these dogs.

He developed his own strain of leopard curs but I don't think he started the breed but was very involved in its development. I never saw any of his dogs but in the pics his dogs looked to be thick coated and thicker bodied leopard curs. I personally don't like those two traits in a strike dog but for whatever reason his best dogs looked that way.

[Reuben]

O.K. let me try this again, i am not the best with words, and dang sure aint no proffesional, and dont have have a world of knowledge about either one but do know a little, as i have owned both types/breeds.

   The question was asked what was the difference between a leopard cur and a catahoula.

  AMERICAN LEOPARD CUR/hound  was called a cur for years until the past couple of years, they were recognized by the U.K.C. so that they could compete in the coon hunts and gain recognition for their tracking and treeing ability. the only way that the U.K.C. would recognize them as a breed was if they changed the cur to hound.
   Now these American leopard curs are not like curs at all,  they are known to have very cold noses even for a hound, and are tree dogs.  YES  they VERY MUCH resemble a hound in all aspects. they do come spotted, but also come black and tans, high tans,  just like the cats.  but have the long ears, cold noses, and big bawl mouths.   

TNHILLBILLY,

I don't understand why the cur part was dropped and the hound was added on instead because these dogs were good hunting dogs just the way they were. I think that was a big mistake. Back in the 1970s and 1980s the full cry magazine had very few cur columns in it and most of the columns were for all types of hounds. Over the years the majority of the columns and advertisements have switched from mainly hound to mostly cur breeds. This has been talked about and the majority seemed to think it had mainly to do with the hunting plots were getting smaller and smaller and folks were wanting dogs with more handle and not as long range. The other theory I heard and read about was that some of the field trials/night hunts were ruining the hound breeds because breeders were breeding some go younder type dogs and that hunters were hunting hounds instead of hunting with hounds. I don't know one way or the other what was the main reason why lots of folks have been switching over to curs but both reasons sound ligit to me.

Back then I didn't like how the cat and bmc hunted so I was researching the mtn cur and leopard cur. I went with the mtn cur because there were more of them closer to home.

Just like any other breed the mtn curs have faults and have lots of variation within that breed. And some of those differences I try to stay away from.

I didn't mean to get off subject but...

[tnhillbilly]

I dont understand it either, i kept up with all of it at the time they were trying to get them in the UKC, but i cant remember the reason. I dont agree with it.
       IMO if those breeders that had bred them for years and called them leopard curs then i think the UKC should have accepted that.  but they are real funny about the cur breed.  i tried to advertise some of my 1/2 hound 1/2 cur pups on their dogs for sale one time and it got deleted a couple times, when i asked why? they said cause they wasnt hounds, that it was a HOUND board, which i didnt understand, because they register all kinds of different breeds.

     I dont know if the leopards have any aussi in them or not? that would explain where the long hair, and the spots, come from BUT where did they get the COLD nose and trailing from?   

[WAARHEID]

The people I grew up around called all spoted cur dogs leopards. In La. and Miss. they called the spoted dogs leopards and the solid colored dogs catahoulas. Now days, the spoted stock dogs are catahoulas and the american leopard curs are the east coast, open on track, tree dogs. They are said to of been around for many years but were very rare untill Richard McDuffie brought them back starting in the 60's. The funny part is, the three main dogs he used came out of Texas. A reliable source told me they came from Cowboy Williams and were July Catahoula crosses. That might be the reason for the double coat. The UKC registers the as American Leopard Hounds.

X2


I wrote an article on this very topic:
http://thehoundsmen.blogspot.com/2008/12/catahoula-or-leopard-cur-dog-or-hound.html

[WAARHEID]

The people I grew up around called all spoted cur dogs leopards. In La. and Miss. they called the spoted dogs leopards and the solid colored dogs catahoulas. Now days, the spoted stock dogs are catahoulas and the american leopard curs are the east coast, open on track, tree dogs. They are said to of been around for many years but were very rare untill Richard McDuffie brought them back starting in the 60's. The funny part is, the three main dogs he used came out of Texas. A reliable source told me they came from Cowboy Williams and were July Catahoula crosses. That might be the reason for the double coat. The UKC registers the as American Leopard Hounds.

X2

I wrote an article on this very topic:
http://thehoundsmen.blogspot.com/2008/12/catahoula-or-leopard-cur-dog-or-hound.html

And the one thing I didn't mention in the article because it's politically controversial is that it was, in my opinion, more about ribbon chasing than anything else. The guys breeding for field trials were slowly but surely breeding them into coon-dogs, until one day everyone looked around and was kind of forced to ask the question "Hey are these really curs anymore? They hunt like hounds now." Which was exactly what they wanted because the hound trial guys don't like letting cur-dogs play "their" games... as if that would somehow be an insult to the la-dee-da hounds or something (it always strikes me as odd when you have rednecks getting all snobby with each other)

So they were all too eager to have their dogs reclassified as hounds, it allows them to play the coon-hound game, at least with less condescension

[Reuben]

Waarheid,

I don't remember ever hearing any good things out of the field trial folks or show dog folks.

The hunting public tends to breed the sensible type of hunting dogs IMO.