WHAT LINE OF CATAHOULA???

[koyote76]

curious to see whos breeding catahoulas that can do it all. and by that i mean, find thier own hog and catch it with out  a catch dog? but still has enough sense to back up on really rough hogs. gritty cats with brains and drive.

whos breeding them and what bloodlines are best for this style of hunting?

thankyou!

[johnf]

i have a new line of cats crossed between speck and cawliga supposed to do it all.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

coyote76 wrote-  curious to see whos breeding catahoulas that can do it all.

If you ever find that line let me know, I never did  

[koyote76]

i have a new line of cats crossed between speck and cawliga supposed to do it all.

hahah yea hopefully they will. just tryig to find some more!

what should we call this line john?

[koyote76]

coyote76 wrote-  curious to see whos breeding catahoulas that can do it all.

If you ever find that line let me know, I never did  

you will be the first if and when i do! 

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Koyote76, The type of Catahoula's you are asking about will probably come from cow dog lines that have been selected to work cattle. This type of dog has a brain that is wired in a different way than most straight hog dogs. Cow dogs are selected for working cattle in a herd, this herd may be three or three hundred but the theory is the same only the number of dogs working increases with the number of cattle. What these cow dog are trying to do is put all the cattle they can find in one tight bunch and hold it together at all costs. When they have a herd together and settled they will/can relax. Their brains are programed to not tolerate an animal outside of the herd, and they will exert maximum pressure on an animal that leaves the herd or will not join the herd.

What this means for a cow dog is that they bay a herd with a lot of circle, they should never stop running around a settled herd and be relaxed and never bite anything. When a single breaks from the herd they hit high gear, their bark rate will double and they will hit that cow hard, biting at every opportunity. This heavy treatment will continue untill the cow returns to the herd. But, (and this is what you are talking about in a hog dog) if the cow does not return to the herd and bays up to fight the dogs (just as a single hog would) the dogs will work and spin the cow untill they can catch. They will stack up on both ears, jaws, and elbows just like on a hog. One of three things will happen. The cow will give up the fight and submit but remain standing, the dogs will pull it to the ground, or the cow will shake off the dogs and run back to the herd.

Cow dogs generally have very clean holding style. They are catching cattle that weigh 800 to 1,500 pounds. If they are going to survive very long they need to grab an ear and stay tucked back at the cows elbow especially on horned cattle. If they get out in front they are going to get hit with the flailing front feet of the cow and knocked to the ground. The cow will then gore them, smash them with her head or try and crush the chest cavity with its knees and brisket. A dog that will catch and hold a 1,000 pound horned cow will catch a hog with out even thinking about it.

How this relates to hog hunting, and your question, is that when a dog finds a single hog, there is no herd for that hog to join that will offer protection from the dogs. Therefore the dogs are programed to catch and hold the hog untill the hunter arrives. I breed a a line of Catahoula's that I use mainly for cattle that work on hogs just as you have described. A pair of them are going to catch anything that can't kill them, that's usually means over two hundred pounds with good teeth.

I hope that makes sense and it is the reason I would suggest you look for some rough cow dog stock for dogs like this.

Thanks,
Paul T

[Peachcreek]

man that is the best sales pitch i have ever heard.... I want one too.....

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Thats no sales pitch, its just the truth. 

[sfboarbuster]

You have a way with words silverton!! I'd sure like to see some of them dogs work one day!

[Peachcreek]

You have a way with words silverton!! I'd sure like to see some of them dogs work one day!

this was pretty much my point too.... no disrespect ment silverton

[BigAinaBuilt]

I'm not sure what line of Catahoula she came out of but my Catahoula/Whippet can do it alone when she outstrikes my other dogs or if I run her alone. My other dogs "weight limit" is a little higher then I like but she has been backing up at around 150.

11 months old

[TCB-Vince]

The two older fellers I hunt, All they run is Catahoula and they will find bay and catch there ass off. We rarely use catch dogs in my area. The line is mainly from Camp-a-while and these two fellers have has this line for about 20 years now. Best dogs I have every hunted with. All the good hog hunters in my area run Catahoula as well and they come  from Camp-a-while and Wager and about 90% these dogs I have seen the same results and the other group of hunter run whatever free and I ain't joking, So its easy to see whats good and not lol. But just about every Catahoula I've seen here in my area is what your wanting. Here is a picture of these two gyps I just got from those older fellers. There about 9 weeks old now and there already look promising.

[Reuben]

The two older fellers I hunt, All they run is Catahoula and they will find bay and catch there ass off. We rarely use catch dogs in my area. The line is mainly from Camp-a-while and these two fellers have has this line for about 20 years now. Best dogs I have every hunted with. All the good hog hunters in my area run Catahoula as well and they come  from Camp-a-while and Wager and about 90% these dogs I have seen the same results and the other group of hunter run whatever free and I ain't joking, So its easy to see whats good and not lol. But just about every Catahoula I've seen here in my area is what your wanting. Here is a picture of these two gyps I just got from those older fellers. There about 9 weeks old now and there already look promising.

If I ever buy a catahoula I would buy one of these, a line of dogs that is proven to trail and bay and stop/catch a hog.

[rdjustham]

man that is the best sales pitch i have ever heard.... I want one too.....

Ill take one too!! 

[Peachcreek]

man that is the best sales pitch i have ever heard.... I want one too.....

after talking to silverton on pm a few times last night i realized this was a pretty $hity thing to post.
I wish I had the time to devote to my dogs and to their training like he does. he has some fine dogs...
 

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I have never met Paul in person.  I have never seen his dogs work first hand.  That being said, Paul is a true dogman.  He is not out to fluff anything or anybody up.  I take him completely at his word.  Hats off to you Paul for being one of the "true" gentlemen left out there.  

[TCB-Vince]

Paul,
Just curious on your opinion on this. But the same fellers I got my two gyp out sell a lot of litters to cow guys cause they work well, like you explain but my question is how come when some don't work out to be a hog dog there great cow dogs? I know in every litter not all the dogs will be the best but just about every dogthat didn't work out for them or the few that they got from another breeder how's turn out to be a great cow dog.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

There is as much difference in cow dogs as hog dogs. Some cow bred dogs just don't crave working hogs. Some don't have the "hunting drive" to go deep and find hogs. You can have a nice usable cow dog that doesn't have much hunt because you are taking the dog to cattle and then he goes to work. I would be interested to me to watch a dog like that work and try and understand why that dog didn't make it as a hog dog.

I ask a lot of my cow dogs. The best of the best that I raise will always be outstanding "go find them" dogs. The dogs that can't quite make the cut (because of style) will almost always make really nice hog dogs, for someone else......so I am used to seeing the opposite of what you are talking about. My only guess would be a genitic preferance for cattle over hogs.

A top cow dog has got to do about three times the tasks that a good hog dog does and style is much more important with a cow dog. Three examples of that would be natural handle, constant circling on a settled bay, and leading out cattle that are being driven.

A dog handlers job is to help the dog find the work that they can excel in and let them work. If we are trying to put a square peg in a round hole we are not doing the dog any favors. I don't want to be good at fixing square pegs, I want to breed better round pegs.

Thanks,
Paul T

[cward]

I am no Cat breeder but working dog is a working dog! I feel that some take to a cow better than others because they feel like they are working for you a cur dog will work harder and longer cow or hog if they feel like they are doing a Job for you! Just watch your dogs work and not let them know your there then walk up and let them see you show up the dog will work stronger and harder! I feel like some dogs when they are working cattle and feel that this is what you are asking of them then they just take to it better! I have seen dogs get to a bay on hogs in the woods and stop baying just cause they ain't sure if that is what you want them to do!! But put them on cows let them know how good they are doing then take them back to a hog hunt and they will stay hooked! JMO

[Rockin-P-Ranch]

I agree with CWARD on this one, I dont care what breed of dog that you are working with, the dog has to know that he or she is doing just what you want them to do. But with that being said the family of dogs that you use must have that drive and want to bred into them. I have not seen any Cats or Leopard dogs in my part of the country in years that were worth feeding. But I have a lot of respect for Silverton and his line of dogs. They are the right kind from what I have seen and heard about.