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[matt_aggie04]

Ive tried hard to hold my tounge and if this gets yanked so be it but here goes.  TColt, did you go on those hunts with Bloom Bros or just watch the video?  I can gurantee you they don't own a dog that will track a hog for a mile in a free range situation nor does anyone that only hunts a dogo or craigslist great dane or wheaten rodesian ridgback.  I am all for people hunting that way if they want to.  Look at Paul T on here, he has a few dogs that he hunts "one out" or "two out" and they work for him and he will tell you that but he will also tell you they are not a end all be all way of hog removal.  That has been my issue all along, misleading statements trying to cram one style down everyones throats for no reason other than to gain attention is where I find fault in his "product".  He can be a nice a guy and all that and as long as he represents ALL of us in a positive light then I have not real issue with the show but I fear before it is all over with we are going to get a Sunday night education on why "one out" is the wave of the future and how it will solve everyones problems.  If not then I will be pleasantly suprised.....

[TColt]

dont get me wrong, im not strictly one out hunter. I have a dog that can do it but i dont very often. Even if im running my dogo on the ground ill usually run my little lacy with him so i have some bark to head to, if anything saves me from lookin at the garmin every few seconds. My point it that we need to just be supportive of him not matter what his style. Weather or not the bloom brothers dogs will trail a mile was not my point, my point was that they can handle big hogs. Most people on here dont own dogs, nor do they want or need to own dogs that can trail a mile, because they dont want to go treckin through the woods that far. Alot of places in Texas have so many hogs you could teach a toy poodle to strike. I dont think that there are any end all be all ways of hog removal cuz if there was we wouldnt have the hog problem we have today, but hell, if it works for you then do it. I dont think anyone should be hated on for their style of hunting.

[Circle C]

Matt,

   You just spoke up for quite a few of us.

I bet there are a dozen or more "one out" hunters on ETHD, and you don't see anyone "bashing" them, or their method of hunting. The issue with L3 is JOSH, and his claims over the years.... not "one out".   Heck, we own and hunt a sight hound occasionally, but you won't hear us saying she is the best, the solution, etc. Just another method of hunting, that's all.

 

[uglydog]

FOR ALL OF YOU SITTING HERE TYPING ABOUT THE "DOWNING OF A STYLE" it has been explained to you numerous times the reasons behind it, but yall keep defending his "product" that is not the issue, how thick are yalls skulls?

Now that this thread is at ten pages and I have not said a whole lot either, but rather waiting to see how Dumb this thread got, since most of those "on the DEFENSIVE" don't know the whole story and the past 3-5 years history and the OUTLANDISH claims that have been made by the hunter in question, Not by a reporter, nor by the production film crews but by the hunter himself. IF yall KNEW THE REAL HISTORY, yall would all be retracting what you are defending now, this did not start the past year and half.

One such claim was that "he catches up to twenty five hogs in one day with one dog, Where most people with bay dogs don't catch that many in a whole year", Thats the ignorance along with many other statements that have spewed from uneducated mouths, this is supposed to be a self proclaimed "proffesional"  when I would think most proffesionals would know their line of work and not be talking that crap out their mouths.
That being said he is a nice guy, and if you know what you are talking about it does not take long to pick out the BS that will promoted from one such, but then agin many of us have been around awhile and do take intrest to learn about others methods, others lines of dogs and want to see them hunt. I will say he does make valid points sometimes, but as soon as I hear the lines of "self proclamation that insults my way of hunting" I am done listening to how great this other method is. Many folks have invited the guy hunting, to have friendly hunts and discussion to see for themselves, however anybody that I know with places to hunt was not taking up on any offers, so there again, it is all  a bunch of words. I would still like to take him hunting and for him to bring his dogs, and I would be respectfull as long as I was treated with respect also.

Invitation Still STANDS

What more "SUPPORT" do you want? CheerLeaders? Drama Lamas? How many times does your way of hunted have to be offended before you decide to quit "supporting"?

[matt_aggie04]

I totally agree that no should be disliked for the style or way that they hunt and in my opinion that is not the case here.  He is disliked for making false statements over and over and over again about how his way is the best way.  THERE IS NO BEST WAY!!!!!!!  It is just the way that you enjoy the most.  My point in mentioning the mile trailing was not to say a dog needs to do that but to point out that a bloom bros dog isnt going to "beat" anyones pack.  And hell yeah they catch big hogs, they should they have all catch dogs and think of how much more secure they would be with two rather than one of those catch dogs on them?!

[chainrated]

I have no problem whatsoever with only hunting 1 or 2 dogs down at a time. Most of the time we don't have over 2 dogs out and sometimes just one, I know it works if you have the right dog.. But now it just don't take a one out, highly skilled and trained dog to chase a hog he sees in a field...
I really hope this show ends up helping the image of hog dogging and maybe it will but come on now the show itself was ridiculous.. Hopefully the general public who have never been hog hunting will be impressed...

[TColt]

will someone please pm me a link to the thread that everyone has talked about, I been a member on here for years and must have missed it somehow. I hunt with curs and talk with josh quite a few times and never has he bashed the way I hunt. Or told me his way is better. All he has said is that his way works the best for him in the places he hunts.

[TColt]

Mattaggi, I didnt mean that the bloom brothers would beat anyones pack, I was just saying that one dog can take on a big hog since there has been some coments about lack of size on hogs on the show ect.

[uglydog]

Tcolt, most of those threads were on another forum, and has since been deleted, so only the ones that read it for themselves know what was said and written.
Josh is a nice guy and has gotten better about how he speaks about others hunting, I will admit that, he is a friendly person passionate about hunting, no doubt that is never in question, and I personally like the Bloom brothers videos for entertainment and watching a dog work, I really liked the RIP dog, he spent a few days in my kennels breeding one of my females, Just as I have respect many other one & two out hunters that post here.

I would like to see and compare the different styles in person to see for myself, but hard to swallow the the dibs at the way I or ways anbody else hunts that were made in the past. I will be friendly and be polite to him any time I see him, but I won't forget the past, hopefully with time when the "claims made" of hunting are reasonable and time goes by all will better for us all, then we can all work together.

[TColt]

Well I understand that he offended so many people, and Im sorry that I have stirred the pot. He has never done anything that I have seen or read to offend me so I make my own mind up about him. Even though many people say the problem is josh, I have seen alot of bashing on his style and dogs. I dont see any point in holding a grudge on someone if they prove themselves better, I think the grudge holding is for 13 year old girls, no offence, Im just not the type of person who holds grudges, causes too much drama for my liken and hate is alot of baggage. My main point is that we all need to stick together, we got enough people against us, Including pretty much every other kind of hunter. Thats the last thing I want to say on the subject.

[BarrNinja]

Well I understand that he offended so many people, and Im sorry that I have stirred the pot. He has never done anything that I have seen or read to offend me so I make my own mind up about him. Even though many people say the problem is josh, I have seen alot of bashing on his style and dogs. I dont see any point in holding a grudge on someone if they prove themselves better, I think the grudge holding is for 13 year old girls, no offence, Im just not the type of person who holds grudges, causes too much drama for my liken and hate is alot of baggage. My main point is that we all need to stick together, we got enough people against us, Including pretty much every other kind of hunter. Thats the last thing I want to say on the subject.

His dogs took some bashing but just from a few folks. From what I could tell that poor narrator got bashed a hell of a lot harder and noone is defending him! Poor guy! 

[aladatrot]

Yall all know that I have my own ways that are a little different from "normal". Chris mentioned my greyhound that happens to be THE hunting dog which stands out as my favorite I have ever owned OR hunted behind. For me to bash someone about their hunting style would be the pot calling the kettle black. I am with Krystal and Matt in that I welcome the opportunity to learn about an alternative from plain old black and white hunting. I like it, I enjoy learning, and I appreciate that it may or may not work for everyone.

A comment was made by Josh that Riddick would out run any greyhound to a hog. This was not hearsay, I sat there and heard it with my own ears and I saw who said it. After sitting there in disbelief, I decided it was best not to let my evil ego cause a scene in public - even a light hearted one - and I decided to let cooler heads prevail. Quite a while later, I called him up on the comment. Together over the phone, we figured out a win/win proposition for a match race between my hot blood and his dane with a pot for folks to put their money up one against the other. All proceeds would have gone to TDHA's coffers and one of us would have bragging rights. I liked the fella on the phone, and I can see why so many folks stand by him. He is a nice guy and I will maintain that to the day I die.

Now, what I vehemently abhor are the statements over the years which bash pack hunters. We can't control our dogs when they are in a frenzy, they run through fences and on other people's property, we can't take as good of care of our larger number of dogs and keep them healthy, one dog on a hog is more humane, among other comments - and that is just what was in print in one article. That is exclusive of any statements which have been made on the message boards which have really sent me into orbit. For those who wish to believe that the article was taken out of context, go back and re read it. It was "blah blah blah" josh said. Furthermore, IF the article's author had twisted his words to the point which made it a detrimental article to his fellow hunters, WHY on EARTH would he actively promote and endorse the article on his website? If you sit back and look at what is represented here and isolate the fact that you and I think he is underneath it all a nice guy, it is painfully obvious that pack hunters have historically been thrown under the bus in order for L3 to promote himself.

Can I accept the fact that a NICE GUY can also have a shameless self promotion side? Yes. Do I wish that he would promote himself without the negative pack hunting remarks and insinuations? You bet I do. I absolutely wish that he would not spew such remarks in a high profile way. We get that he believes his way to be superior. Hey, if we didn't think each of our own little methods of hunting were superior, we wouldn't choose to hunt the ways we do, would we? Part of the reason L3 is chided is because from the first time he appeared on the hog dogging scene (I remember Contest 2008) with his ridgeback dog Capstick, the story has been changing almost constantly. If you spoke to him at his booth at that expo, his admitted first hog dog Capstick was three years old, if I remember correctly, and was started on hogs at age two. Riddick was his first dane for hunting, and was acquired from craigslist and started in Mr Mason's pen in the summer of  2008 (if memory serves). See, over the years this has morphed into 17 years of hog dogging experience and a lifetime of dedication to the Boarhound. What are we to believe when the statements change so? It is for statements such as this that people find it in them to ridicule. Am I jealous of him? Absolutely not. I have never seen a person who has caused so much torment for himself through the process of trying to make his living. It is not that hog doggers are looking for someone to hate on, just look at the many different personalities that call each other friends on this site alone. We don't tend to shut people out based on the kinds of dogs they hunt and that is very evident. Heck, Cutter Bay has blue ticks for crying out loud. That argument can't even begin to hold water. When someone has  bad luck with being hated on such as L3 has, he has to have brought it upon himself somehow. Those of us who were around before this website started are privy to the reasons. Some are still scratching their heads from the TB's days.

I hate it, I really do. I would like to just shake the poor fella and give him the opportunity to set the record straight. Give him the chance to tell the truth minus any form of self promotion or build up, and start over - hit the re set button. I would like a chance for this NICE GUY to lose the need to prove that his way is best and be accepted by his peers. Unfortunately, he is going to have to stop saying the negative things about pack hunters in order to gain any respect. My apologies if this post is inflamatory, I am merely pointing out what I see. I am accepting of all kinds, and I do not look at newcomers with an aire of contempt. As MANY of you know, I treat everyone with respect and open arms until they prove themselves not to be deserving. It is not Josh as a person that I don't like. It is that streak of him that is willing to down the rest of us - friends or not - for the sake of promoting what he believes to be a superior form of hunting. NONE of us win in that situation.

I was pleased that he did not down pack hunters in his most recent venture. I was happy with that. Perhaps the outcry was so over the article he promoted on his site that he learned not to throw his fellow hunters under the bus.

Cheers
M

[matt_aggie04]

ditto Mandi.....

[aladatrot]

Sorry for the long post. You know how carried away I get.

I didn't mention in that post that some folks see nothing wrong with people saying that one form of hunting is better/more humane than another. What I don't want to happen is for the AR folks to "concede" that they are okay with hog dogging, but that we should limit the number of dogs in the pursuit. That type of legislation would be BAD for all of us. Once you start putting words like humane into the equation and limiting the number of dogs you can run, it isn't a far step from outlawing it altogether. You can only run TWO blood trail dog on the ground at a time in most of Texas, and I believe they are outlawed in certain East Texas counties. Sometimes what appears to be someone's harmless opinion can turn into a real mess if the wrong folks get ahold of it. They will do anything to get a toe hold.
Cheers
M

[BarrNinja]

That was very well put Mandi!

Im glad you took the time to put it in such good words!

I have not bashed Josh or his dogs in this thread or anywhere else. I have not defended him either for the reasons that have been posted here by Mandi and others. Its hard to tell someone to shut the heck up after the things I have seen him post and articles on his web site.

I truly hope the show is a success for L3 and all hog doggers. He emailed me today and said the next show will be a heck of a lot better! Maybe they gagged the narrator? 

[Bryant]

Great post Mandi, and I fully agree.

I DO remember the TB days and all the comments, statements and outlandish claims that were made.  In fact, as I watched the show on Sunday I was reminded of one such claim that his dogs were trained to follow flashlight beams and to only catch boars.  Once again, a claim proven to be untrue.

I also remember myself and several others being basically called completely ignorant for hunting for free.  Do all you guys taking defense to this topic demand compensation from land owners you hunt for?  If not, your all wrong!

I hope I'm incorrect, but my gut feeling is that there will be a lot more to this thread once a few more episodes hit the air.

[aladatrot]

Now Boar Ninja, don't you think that there is something good to be had from that narrator? Surely SOMETHING positive will come from him.......

I can just hear it now. "Now fellas, down in Louisiana yall might have some big old toothy boars. But over here in Texas we have a little different breed. We have the meanest, biggest, ugliest, snott nosed, rip 'em up and eat 'em up Hahgs you have ever seen...... And I aim to Ninja 'em."
Cheers
M

[aladatrot]

Unfortunately, Bryant, my gut feeling is also that we will all be in for a nasty surprise in subsequent episodes. I absolutely hope that we are wrong. I just keep telling myself that he learned from the backlash he has received already from previous ventures. I just really hope we are pleasantly surprised and not surprised in the manner my gut is telling me.


Think positively.
Cheers
M

[BarrNinja]

Now Boar Ninja, don't you think that there is something good to be had from that narrator? Surely SOMETHING positive will come from him.......

I can just hear it now. "Now fellas, down in Louisiana yall might have some big old toothy boars. But over here in Texas we have a little different breed. We have the meanest, biggest, ugliest, snott nosed, rip 'em up and eat 'em up Hahgs you have ever seen...... And I aim to Ninja 'em."
Cheers
M

LMAO! The problem with his narration is that he will have everyone so scared and amped up over these big ole nasty hahgs, the folks with hog problems will call in the National Guard instead of us small time hog hunters!!!

[BarrNinja]

Unfortunately, Bryant, my gut feeling is also that we will all be in for a nasty surprise in subsequent episodes. I absolutely hope that we are wrong. I just keep telling myself that he learned from the backlash he has received already from previous ventures. I just really hope we are pleasantly surprised and not surprised in the manner my gut is telling me.


Think positively.
Cheers
M

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