Breeder vs Buyer

[Dogojones]

 If a breeder sold a puppy that was found to have Demodexia mites  local or generalized should that breeder replace that puppy/refund or is that something the buyer just has to deal with? 
IMO if devalues the bitch because this could be passed to the litter.

[KevinO.]

Unfortunately I think it's just something you'll have to deal with.  If it's still a pup the dog may grow out of it but I've seen a few dogs (all dogos) that never grew out of it. 

I surely wouldn't breed that dog if it has demodex.  Spay her and hunt her.

Good luck.  I've gone through the same thing.

Kevin O. 

[aladatrot]

Hmm... Having had a Demodex dog too I would sure hope that your pup grows out of it. If it didn't grow out of it and had widespread breakouts like my meat head dog had, I would seriously consider euthanasia before you had time and energy into raising and training.

Meaty had a horrible time and spent most of his life hairless, infected, and inflamed. He was such a trustworthy catch dog and such a good spirit that he was kept anyway. Each of us who owned him - uglydog, de moon, and myself - spent unbelievable money and labor to keep his mange under control. Neutering helped, Promeris once monthly helped, but when he broke out he had to be amitraz dipped. I would wear gloves but you couldn't keep it off your skin. The poison is absorbed in the skin and I learned that I needed to dip him when I had completed all my other chores for that evening. Within an hour of dipping him, he and I were both throwing up. It made us SICK every time I had to dip him.

I would contact the breeder to let them know what's going on. See if the pup grows out of it, but if it doesn't I would find out from the breeder if you can exchange the pup and get one from different parents. Demodex is no fun.
Cheers
M

[uglydog]

I would definately let the breeder know, if they alreday know and did not try to work with you, then that says alot about the breeder themselves. If they offer to try and make it right, like offering you options, then they did not intend to sell you a dog that they knew had the problem, then those people are not quality breeders at all in my opinion. If they told you it was a possibility and you took the dog anyway then its your responsibilty.

The female your dog is out of will always have the potential to pass it on and it won't be an isolated situation, so the breeder needs to be notified and they should not breed that female again IMO

[Dogojones]

Had no idea or I would have passed on the dog and breeder. I get the feeling the breeder knew because his solution was no big deal just treat her and allown  the immune system to kick in. He may have plenty of exp. with this but when you buy with high hopes you don't want want be doing dips and playing the wait and see game at 4 months.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Return the pup. Get your money back. Don't waste anymore time on that pup. It is useless longterm if you had intentions of evaluating it for the purpose of breeding. That is the facts.

[jesse]

what dose this demodex look like on a dog

[Dogojones]

4 spots face, paw, chest, neck.

[Oly]

2.3cc of ivomec DAILY for a month or until it clears if she is 100lbs +, I would however spay her if she is a good hunter, if she is not---then you know what needs to be done.

IF the breeder new about it I suspect you are chit outa luck with getting a refund or a replacement (I wouldnt take a replacement anyhow) he should NOT have sold her to begin with ---MAN I REALY DO NOT LIKE UNSCRUPULOUS BREEDERS---
   
EJ, shoot me an e-mail, I want to know who this person is.

O

[kbar]

i would let the breeder know for sure that the puppy has demodex and that it is genetic, if they are out to produce good dogs and want to keep a good name for themselves they will give you a refund...but most are only in for the money.
i wouldnt kill the dog just becuase it has demodex...get her spayed(it is genetic)....demadex flairs up when the dog is stressed or sick....so if she is in heat she will more then likely flair up or if she gets sick it will start to come back...alot of times if you spay or nueter a dog that has demodex after treating it for the mite....they usually dont have very many breakouts after that....or thats what i took in from working at a great vet clinic for 6 years.
good luck!!! and you may want minchin what area you got the pup and what breed so others on here kinda know were not to get a pup from...i dont know if admin will let you put a name..im sure they dont want people bashing other breeders or businesses on here...but its nice to know what area not to buy pups from. ymo-hope it helps! mrs.kbar

[aladatrot]

My poor old meat head dog had massive doses of ivomec running through his liver and kidneys most of his life. I bet in the end his liver looked like swiss cheese from all the chemicals. I loved that dog and would do anything for him. I hate to say it, but when I was at the vet that last time and he was saying he couldn't repair the damage (cheap shot from a bad boar hog), all I could think about was that Meaty could finally end his life long battle with Demodex. This dog had full body breakouts his whole life. Neutering him helped, as did all the other hundreds if not thousands of dollars in ivomec, dips, and promeris. However, even with all the money and care we spent on him, he was still at many times a hairless, red, inflamed, painful, and pitiful dog. Breakouts would last weeks if not months and he always seemed to lose weight with the stress of it all. As if the mites weren't bad enough, the secondary infection would just kick him when he was down. Stresses that we learned could initiate a break out even after his hormones were gone were getting cut, any fleas on him at all, or changing dog food. There were probably many more stressors, but those were the ones I really noticed.

Your dog has localized flare up right now, then I would say that according to my vet it could be just a one time deal. A one time immune deficiency could trigger a break out in a dog not genetically predisposed to having Demodex. Apparently, all dogs have the mites, but only the genetically predisposed ones have an immune system that allows the mites to take hold. I think you are heading the right way by letting breeder know what's going on and seeing if this is a one time deal. I would absolutely not believe that if the dog is predisposed to Demodex that is should be kept for breeding. With a young breed, I think you would want to get inferior animals out of the gene pool no matter how well they hunt. Your breeder should recognize this unless his heart lies with the dollar and not the breed. If you bought the dog with the understanding that you were purchasing brood stock, the breeder should make good on either a breeding sound prospect or a refund. In my opinion, chronic Demodex constitutes a breeding unsoundness just as cryptorchid, hip displasia, or genetic cataracts.

I will never own another Demodex dog. I will never even get a chronically demodectic pup to the point of finding out how it hunts. To me, euthanasia is a far cry better than the miserable life of a demodectic dog. I have been there, done that, and had to deal with it every day for years. It isn't fair to the dog, and it isn't fair to the person who loves the dog.

Cheers
M