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Brad W.
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« on: February 22, 2011, 10:41:02 am » |
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I took my pup out to the deer lease last weekend just to get some exercise while I did a little work around the property. While I was fillin up one of the feeders she took off and went about 300yrds out and started going crazy. I wasn't sure what she had gotten on so I took off after her. When I got to her I found out she had bayed up about 12 cows. I've put her on a few small hogs and she bayed good but nothing like this. She's always had a kind of short choppy bark but this time she sounded like a coon hound who had just treed (maybe she found her bark). My questions is, Should I let her bay cattle since I'm just now starting her? Will it be harder to trash break if I let her bay? I've heard a few people say they like to start their dogs on cattle then move them to hogs. Just not sure what the long terms affects may be. Any opinions are welcome!
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 10:54:54 am » |
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Dont trash break them off bad game until they know what good game is. If they are doing well tracking and baying hogs then I would break them off cattle immediately. Most ranchers including my family dont have tolerance for dogs messing with their beef.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 11:20:52 am » |
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Dont trash break them off bad game until they know what good game is. If they are doing well tracking and baying hogs then I would break them off cattle immediately. Most ranchers including my family dont have tolerance for dogs messing with their beef.
+1 on that . mess with the beef ...you get lead therapy. but thats just me. i will usualy just hit them with the shock collar when the show interest in cows. |
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 11:57:59 am » |
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I would not "Break" her off yet, but would also not allow her to do so I would catch and fuss at them but not be too harsh. Then agin it also depends on the dog that you have, if she is ahard dog and wants to bay everything no matter if you are watching her or not then a good spanking won't deter the dog from working hogs, other dogs will take it to heart and be weary to start baying anything else for awhile, and willneed to rebuild confidence. So thats why Knowing where your dog comes from, the background and genetics that come into play, If the dog has several genertaions of hard to break off trash dogs then I would start now! If the dog comes from timid dogs that need confidence building then I woud not get after her for doing it, but just keep her away until she learns the desired animal she is to hunt.
Thats WHY it is important in my opinion to get a dog from dogs that work so you have some basis for knowing your dogs potential VS. picking up dogs at the pound, off the side of the road, or any scatterbred dog a friend might offer you for free.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 12:58:24 pm » |
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Thats WHY it is important in my opinion to get a dog from dogs that work so you have some basis for knowing your dogs potential VS. picking up dogs at the pound, off the side of the road, or any scatterbred dog a friend might offer you for free. Which is my arguement as to why I only get papered dogs. It shows the consistency in the line, or inconsistency, but either way it lets you know what you get out of your dogs. |
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Reuben
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 02:04:30 pm » |
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Thats WHY it is important in my opinion to get a dog from dogs that work so you have some basis for knowing your dogs potential VS. picking up dogs at the pound, off the side of the road, or any scatterbred dog a friend might offer you for free. Which is my arguement as to why I only get papered dogs. It shows the consistency in the line, or inconsistency, but either way it lets you know what you get out of your dogs. Papers does not make the dog. It is the breeder with his/her cull standard, what they believe is a good hunting dog or not. I reckon that is what you call consistancy or inconsistancy. |
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 02:11:21 pm » |
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 06:16:50 pm » |
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if you got that pup started good on hogs then yes break him off cattle , dont go overboard and make him scared of you and scared to work .
dont be any rougher than you have to , but if by the third time he aint got the picture , get rough enough .
like already said , every pup can be different .
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Black Smith
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 06:41:40 pm » |
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Don't hunt hogs in a cow pasture---LOL. If it is a young dog don't get to rough on it just fuss at it and it will know if it don't stop when it gets older then get rougher till it understands.
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Brad W.
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 07:10:01 pm » |
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The cattle was actually supposed to be on the other side of the property. I let the rancher know what happen. He knows I run dogs on the property and I know he doesn't want us messing with his cows. We have a mutual respect for each other and we both understand accidents happen. He called me yesterday to let me know that the cows have been moved so it shouldn't be an issue anymore (hopefully). I just wanted to make sure I did the right thing by calling the dog off but not being to hard on her since she's just getting started.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 08:34:57 pm » |
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if you got that pup started good on hogs then yes break him off cattle , dont go overboard and make him scared of you and scared to work .
dont be any rougher than you have to , but if by the third time he aint got the picture , get rough enough .
like already said , every pup can be different .
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 07:58:50 am » |
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Hows he bred. If hes a cur dog its in his instincts to bay any livestock. I would not break him just yet any way. Because if you did you are not only scolding the pup for baying cattle you are also scolding it after it got gone and found stock, which is what you want in the first place. The pup does not know the difference. Better yet, teach him to bay cattle only when you sic, or send him to do so.....then teach him to call out.
Most land owners have cowboys who use cow dogs to pen thier cattle anyway. Heck if he turns out to be a good cow dog...you could pen peoples cows for them and they might let you hunt thier place later on if they get to know you. Its a good way to get permission on spots. The last part might not be realistic for you, but its just another perspective......
Waylon
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