weatherford ben bloodline

[BMichalak]

i am looking at one to buy and i was wondering if any of you guys have any and have been hunting with them and have noticed any advantages and or disadvantages....

[Bryant]

Pup or older dog?  Tell me how it's bred, and I can probably provide you with a little more info on what to expect.  Are you getting the dog from a breeder, or someone that just has the dog for sale?

As far as advantages or disadvantages, I suppose it just depends on what your looking for.  Foundation dogs are an extremely versitile, extremely intelligent, and proven bloodline of dogs.  As quoted from Randy Wrights website, "We have dogs in 45 states, Canada, and Mexico, being used on stock, big game, predator, varmints, blood tracking, search and rescue on humans, decoying, trap lines, farm and ranch and protection, family dogs and so much more."

I have several myself, and there are other board members here that hunt them as well.

[Boar Collector]

My buddy has to pups out of that bloodline and they are the hardest hunting dogs I've ever seen st that age. Great intelligent dogs.

[Txhoghunter]

I've got two dogs out of the ben line, I like them, they have a good handle, they hunt hard, and have a lot of bottom.

[ninja]

I've had papered weatherford ben, ladner and carnathan blackmouth curs.  All three were medium range dogs that hunted hard and bayed.  The ladner was open on track but hunted the hardest.  The carnathan was a nice red blackmouth out of his lightfoot male, a real nice dog that I wished I never sold.  The ben female I liked the least but I don't believe she was a good representation of the breed. Test them out first.  You can't hunt papers.

[Bryant]

The ladner dogs were originally bred as tree dogs, and as such are much more likely to be open mouth dogs.

[sbrooks]

I got some of the pups out of Matts TaterxBrandy litter and they have all performed 100% for their age only eight months old and shining bright.  I researched some on the Ben bloodline before finding some dogs to work with and when Matt had these pups for sale i jumped on them.  I would like to find a female in the future with more of the Ben blood in her and hopefully get some good dogs going. 

Bryant how many Ben dogs do you have?  Do you know of anyone who has these dogs and breeds them with consistancy for working ability?  I would like to look into them some more myself.  Thanks

[Bryant]

Shylar,

I have three...two older males and a gyp that just turned a year.  The gyp is hunting out better than any dog I've started, but doesn't have the intensity on a bay I would like to see quite yet.  Funny thing is, she will eat a hog up the few times I've had her in a pen.

I was talking with Randy the other night and telling him about her and what he told me made good sense.  He said, "Bryant, what you have to remember is that these dogs are highly intelligent.  She works harder in a pen because your right there with her and she knows that what she's doing is pleasing to you.  When in the woods, she's on her own and experience and confidence will get her to where she needs to be.  If she's hunting, running with the older dogs, and showing independance your 75% there."

As far as breeders, I know several here in Texas.  You can start with Randy Wright (who actually had Ben and was the first to linebreed his genetics) and work from there.  If you would like contact info, send me a PM.

[texas tusker]

          who bred weatherford ben?

[jdt]

i beleive w. ben came from ben jordan in eastern ok.

[sbrooks]

Heres a good little writeup on him

                 Weatherford's Ben

Owned by: Randy Wright

Weatherford's Ben world champion hog catch dog, world champ cow dog, world bench champion, hall of famer, to date has
produced the only world champion other than himself. Has produced many other hall of fame dogs and is the nations
number one all time producing stud dog for this breed. Of the top ten stud dogs of record most carry Ben genetics, some are
sons, some are grand sons, and one is even a great grand son. As a matter of fact there is only one top ten stud dog not
carrying the Ben genetics.  In Randy Wright's humble opinion Ben was the best cow dog he ever saw until his son Wright's
Bounty Hunter got old enough to show his stuff. Hunter works identical to Ben in that he is a rock solid catch dog that even
hard core bulldog men can admire, and have. LOL A cold nosed wide hunter that proved he would rather pass out baying
cattle right next to water than look out for a drink an leave his work. Now that's desire folks and it don't come easy you gotta
have it in the genes so you better start with it right up front or your playing catch up. Ben was 65 pounds in working shape,
produced heart, intelligence, drive and desire. Bred by Mike Bauman in Oklahoma Ben was fawn yellow, black nosed, long
legged, deep wide chested, high tight flank, long body. Was known to have been placed on a 24 hour old track of some rank
Braford brush cattle which he then trailed 6 miles or so bayed, an settled to be penned. Ben was known to have a slobbering
glaze eyed focus on a bay, really worked a front end lead but had the intelligence listen, and so do his pups given the right stimulation an training.  This ain't a flaming advertisement just some truths about an out standing line of working dogs and what kind of things you can expect when you make a move towards the Foundation Blackmouth Cur for a working breed. There were 40 + litters off Ben all turned out to be above average for the most part, he has pups in 43 states, doing a wide range of different tasks showing the breeds
versatility, there are 18 different breeding programs using this blood in the states an one in Canada, most are stock
working or professional hunters. Folks, facts just can't lie!

[grittydog]

http://www.blackmouthcur.com/pedigrees.htm#Bullet

[Bryant]

Ben was bred by a guy named Mike Bauman in Oklahoma.  The sire and dam were "Bauman's Ben" & "Bauman's Bonnie".  The sire to Bauman's Ben was "Jordans Henry"...thats the Jordan connection.

Here's a link to Randy Wrights website.  Not much there, but he mainly put it up due to requests to see pics of his Foundation dogs.

http://www.wrightscurs.com

Here's a couple more pics of Weatherford's Ben that Randy had sent me quite a while back.

[jdt]

i stand corrected, he was descended from some of ben jordans stock

[texas tusker]

 so Mike Bauman bred weatherford Ben out of his dogs that were bred by Jordan,Johnson,and Nutting.got it! thanks ya'll.

[texas tusker]

    are these guys on too they got some good looking dogs

[Bryant]

Just for kicks...here's a couple more websites which have info on Foundation Bred dogs.

http://members.tripod.com/tlscurs/

http://www.yellowblackmouth.com/index.htm

http://social.southrivercurs.com/

http://www.blackmouthcur.com/high_on_the_hog_kennel.htm

http://www.bayheadkennels.com

http://www.blackmouthcur.com/Hog%20Island%20Kennel.htm

http://www.blackmouthcur.com/Big%20sky%20kennel.htm

http://www.blackmouthcur.com/Snow%20Hill%20Kennel.htm

http://www.blackmouthcurcowdogs.com

[texas tusker]

        thanks i thought black mouth curs had black on there mouth these dogs look like all yellow dogs and i saw some dogs with cut tails is that for working cows or something

[Bryant]

Both light and dark mask, lined eyes and lips...doesn't make a difference and a single typical litter can include both.

Tails aren't docked, but natural bobbed tails were heavily bred into the foundation genetics.  Both tailed and bobbed dogs can and will appear in same litter.

[jdt]

the lighter masks and pink noses are due to tight breeding , short or bob tails you wont find in southern bmc s

                                                                     bryant do you know whewre a guy can look up pedigrees ?