German Shepherd or Belgian Malinois

[Noah]

I'd still like to try it if I can find the right dog to cross on!

[SCHitemHard]

i could see some mastiff or maybe dogo bred into them, they are already strong and fast runners so some muscle added in would be nice

[SCHitemHard]

i knew i saw a video off nat geo about dogs

here it is :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZm037jPNgc&ob=av3e

[tmatt]

A friend of mine raises Mals. He did the APBT thing for a while so he may consider sending one to someone to try. I give him a call and see what he thinks about it.

[Noah]

I'm all ears tmatt 

I'm lookin' at the cross from more of a bay dog perspective.... I want my baydogs focusing on the "heel" of a hog rather than the "head" ....

The Mals I've been around were so scary smart, I believe they'd learn to not push on one once bayed real quick...

[UNDERDOG]

Matt, is that Doug?  If so he told me the other day he had a 6 mo male working prospect for 1200 out of Aj....Noah, you can afford that right ha ha

[Noah]

"Can" afford, yes ....  but I'll be DAMNED if I'm gonna drop that much cash on a hog dog prospect.... too many variables.... when the right person wants to test their line of dogs, the dog will find it's way to me... in the meantime, I got my hands full proving what dogs I got... 

And UnderDog, do it YOU.

[Noah]

Hope you know what I meant by that 

[mod93dirt]

Thanks for bringing up the old post Noah. While my first two hopefully hog dogs will be hitting the woods soon as deer season is over, I still  think about this subject. Since I am just getting started I am going with some curs until I learn about and figure out what I want and need in a dog. But a few years down the road I would like to try a cross with a mal.

I do think it is a crap shoot though and probably would take several breedings to get what is needed, but thats true with a lot of proven hunting breeds as well, correct?  But if I could get the brain, drive, nose and bite out of a mal, along with the hunt, drive, nose and brains out of a cur; I think it would make a kick a$$ dog.

And it would definitely take the right dog to make the cross. Your backyard bred dog aint gonna get it done. People who are serious about their GSDs or Mals cull every bit as hard hunters do to get what they want.I am not as knowledgeable in the Malinois blood as I am the GSD's. But if crossed with a GSD it would definitely have to be out of some old Czech blood for me. Either dog, I wouldnt look for so much a breeder who breeds for schutzhund, but rather a breeder who breeds specifically for police K9 or personal protection dogs. Like someone said a lot of the ring sport dogs never take a real beating, but I have seen some protection dogs take some good beatings and it only seemed to turn them on more.

[Noah]

Just depends in what you are wanting in a hog dog... for me.... I expect my bay dogs to take a beating when necessary(i.e. protecting me or mine from getting hurt).... but otherwise, I fully expect them to use their BRAIN and avoid injury by WORKING a hog into submission...  if the hog decides to run, RIP IT'S HAMSTRING OUT till he decides to sit down and fight.... then BACK THE HELL UP and wait for the MEATHEAD to arrive.... 

Trust me when I say it takes not only a TREMENDOUS athlete to accomplish this, but a THINKING dog as well...

A Mal would be an EXCELLENT cross to enhance this... 

[Reuben]

Just depends in what you are wanting in a hog dog... for me.... I expect my bay dogs to take a beating when necessary(i.e. protecting me or mine from getting hurt).... but otherwise, I fully expect them to use their BRAIN and avoid injury by WORKING a hog into submission...  if the hog decides to run, RIP IT'S HAMSTRING OUT till he decides to sit down and fight.... then BACK THE HELL UP and wait for the MEATHEAD to arrive.... 

Trust me when I say it takes not only a TREMENDOUS athlete to accomplish this, but a THINKING dog as well...

A Mal would be an EXCELLENT cross to enhance this... 

excellent post NOAH...year before last there was a malamute cross dog hanging out at the lease and he was a hunting machine...He tried to catch birds hidden in the grass and would hunt and catch rabbits...I thought he was probably living off of fawns so I gave him a long ride elsewhere. He would of made a heck of a hog dog. He was built perfect and was very fast...

[mod93dirt]

Noah, the talk about a dog taking a beating means I dont want a dog who will tuck tail and run with a good shot from a hog. I dont want a suicidal dog either. I agree with you that I want brains in my dogs.

Most of the guys I have been hunting with dont use lead in catch dogs, they just rely on a Team of their dogs to catch and get the job done. And with my wife dead set against me getting any type of bulldog, I will have to hunt the same way. Thats why I like the idea of a GSD or Mal cross. Take an already catchy cur dog, cross it, and get the prey drive and bite out of a Mal, and to me that seems like it would be a good dog.

That is what I envision out of the cross. May be a pipe dream for an all around dog, but that is what I would like to see. Taking an already good finding and catching cur dog, and adding some nose, drive, and catch to the dog.

[TColt]

A friend of mine raises Mals. He did the APBT thing for a while so he may consider sending one to someone to try. I give him a call and see what he thinks about it.

Guy wouldnt happen to be named Douge out of Kaufman County would it?

 If so, he has some awesome mals, crazy drive! I have taken some bites from his AJ dog.

[TColt]

And it would definitely take the right dog to make the cross. Your backyard bred dog aint gonna get it done. People who are serious about their GSDs or Mals cull every bit as hard hunters do to get what they want.I am not as knowledgeable in the Malinois blood as I am the GSD's. But if crossed with a GSD it would definitely have to be out of some old Czech blood for me. Either dog, I wouldnt look for so much a breeder who breeds for schutzhund, but rather a breeder who breeds specifically for police K9 or personal protection dogs. Like someone said a lot of the ring sport dogs never take a real beating, but I have seen some protection dogs take some good beatings and it only seemed to turn them on more.

They cull alot harder from what I have seen.

There is a guy in NY or somewhere in one of those yankee states that breeds some unpapered dogs that he sells to special forces, I cant recall the guys name, just remember the conversation from a day at training. From what I understand this guys breeds, raises, and trains some crazy dogs that would probably fit the bill of what your looking for.

[treeingratterrier]

Let me start this post by saying I am new to the world of hog hunting with dogs, and this is one of the few forums I have come across. I have been hunting a few times with some friends who use BMCs, cats, and american bulldogs. My background with dogs is with schutzhund or protection trained dogs. My personal german shepherd is a SCH2 dog.  For those not familiar with Schutzhund, go to youtube and search it.  In a really raw version, it is a dog tracking a human, baying it, then attacking when need be. After going hog hunting a few times,  I thought to myself a german shepherd or malinois (malinois especially)would be perfect for hog hunting. But yet I see no one using any kinds of these dogs. With their incredible noses, and incredible bites, to me, it seems like these breeds would make awesome hunting dogs. I have seen these dogs drag 200lb men in bite suits around like its nothing, so my thinking is surely they could be trained to do the same thing on hogs. Basically what I am asking is has anyone heard of people using these breeds. Has it worked for them? If not, then why so. Like I said, I am greener than goose s**t when it comes to hog dogs. But from my schutzhund background, I think those breeds could work. I am just looking for anyones else opinions on the matter. Thanks.

I had a german shepard we got from the pound 30 years ago, hunted it for several years as a nut dog, it would strike but was always catching on big boars, stayed cut up most of the time, but it figured out finally that bad boars he could shut down by chewing out the nut sack, many many times we would find him at daylight near a tank with a hog in it with chewed off ears or nutsack, at daylight he would come to the truck and find us and take us back to where the hog was, one could tie a hog to his harness and he would pull it out by himself, he really loved to hunt and drag hogs for sure, he was finally killed by a javelina in a tinhorn as he went inside it before we could find and hear him and get em out, javelina got his jugular vein, i carried him out to the truck as he bled to death but we did not make it, was pretty sad, he never barked on track but would bark on a bad hog, anthing else he fought it or caught it with other dogs, this was running him with black mouth curs and 2 pit bull catch dogs, GS are very smart and a straight pack would prob be pretty rough on hogs for sure, they got to be one o the smartest dog breeds for sure???

Brandon