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« on: March 05, 2011, 03:18:27 pm » |
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Well I put my dog on the hog today. As soon as I let him out of the kennel he ran to the pen and went nuts like he did before, I went ahead and put him inside with the hog and he ran up there like a champ until the hog ran back at him and swated him a few times then the sorry sucker tucked tail and spent the rest of his time in the pen running from 50lb shoat I'm sure glad nobody else was there to see that. So I guess I'm back to square one trying to find a dog, and on my budget that's no fun!
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2011, 03:27:50 pm » |
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Put him in there with a rougher dog or smaller pig. He'll catch on.
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Some people call it damage... I call it hog sign.
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shankem
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2011, 03:33:50 pm » |
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take em out of the pen and get an older dog around and see what happens.
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Reuben
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2011, 03:37:00 pm » |
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take em out of the pen and get an older dog around and see what happens.
x2 pup needs his confidence built up. once he matures a little more he might start to hate hogs and then you will have a tight baying hog dog.  |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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YELLOWBLACKMASK
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2011, 06:18:17 pm » |
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The posts on using older dog are always good advice. I will also play the devils advocate and give another perspective. Go with your first instict and scrap the dog before you get to much money and feed into it. Again look for the naturals that have that immediate unrelentless drive that you can't train or put in em. My view has always been the same. Either it bays and stays or it won't and don't. Point is I think you should hold your expectations a little higher and keep looking for something that satisfy's you both in a pen and woods. Please don't settle for just barely dogs cause you will be short changing yourself in the end bro. Also don't fall victim to the dog peddlers that want to charge you three times the price for a help dog. When you buy demand to see the dog in a pen work and let him bay for 45 min or longer. This will let you know how much stay and heart he has. A good one will stay until he can't walk and is laying on the ground slobbering still baying. If you have the option get a trial in woods also. Good luck either way.
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Noah
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2011, 06:34:13 pm » |
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The posts on using older dog are always good advice. I will also play the devils advocate and give another perspective. Go with your first instict and scrap the dog before you get to much money and feed into it. Again look for the naturals that have that immediate unrelentless drive that you can't train or put in em. My view has always been the same. Either it bays and stays or it won't and don't. Point is I think you should hold your expectations a little higher and keep looking for something that satisfy's you both in a pen and woods. Please don't settle for just barely dogs cause you will be short changing yourself in the end bro. Also don't fall victim to the dog peddlers that want to charge you three times the price for a help dog. When you buy demand to see the dog in a pen work and let him bay for 45 min or longer. This will let you know how much stay and heart he has. A good one will stay until he can't walk and is laying on the ground slobbering still baying. If you have the option get a trial in woods also. Good luck either way.
Couldn't have said it any better... go make friends with some true hog hunters...  |
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Reuben
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2011, 06:42:32 pm » |
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The posts on using older dog are always good advice. I will also play the devils advocate and give another perspective. Go with your first instict and scrap the dog before you get to much money and feed into it. Again look for the naturals that have that immediate unrelentless drive that you can't train or put in em. My view has always been the same. Either it bays and stays or it won't and don't. Point is I think you should hold your expectations a little higher and keep looking for something that satisfy's you both in a pen and woods. Please don't settle for just barely dogs cause you will be short changing yourself in the end bro. Also don't fall victim to the dog peddlers that want to charge you three times the price for a help dog. When you buy demand to see the dog in a pen work and let him bay for 45 min or longer. This will let you know how much stay and heart he has. A good one will stay until he can't walk and is laying on the ground slobbering still baying. If you have the option get a trial in woods also. Good luck either way.
Couldn't have said it any better... go make friends with some true hog hunters... You can work on a dog to make it better. But a true hunting dog is born not made. The natural is what gets bred. It all depends on what you want or what you need at the time. but I agree with Yellow and Noah. |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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hittman
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2011, 06:59:49 pm » |
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Ok new here but I will give my 2 cents, sounds like there are some guys on here that really know there dogs.
If you have a dog that will try one through the pin and hes never been on one or been in the woods with finished dogs I would take him out of the pin and hobble the hog and let him bay until hes tired of it, (Should be at least a half hour) even better if you know someone with a finished dog to put with him, but either way turn the hog out so the dog can get away far enough to regroup and go back after him. If he will not take to that than regroup and buy a pup from proven stock ( you have to do the training ) or buy a finished dog but expect to pay for it, you will not buy a finished dog for $200. I see to many new hunters get suckered into buying dogs that are throw aways, because they don't have the experience to know the difference. GOOD LUCK, and GOOD HUNTING.
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stickembickham
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2011, 07:20:36 pm » |
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Is it a strike dog or catch dog?
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Catch and release
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2011, 07:25:03 pm » |
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Hittman,
I agree with what you are saying except for letting the pup bay until it is tired. I believe in letting the pup bay a good while but always take him out and praise him before he can have a chance to burn out. And don't put him in the pen every day but just enough for the pup to learn how to stop a hog and maybe a tune up every now and then to put hog on his mind.
It's kind of like a poor kid who doesn't get to each much ice cream. He is always wanting more and if he gets too much he probably won't want any more for a long while.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2011, 07:30:12 pm » |
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Hittman,
I believe in letting the pup bay a good while but always take him out and praise him before he can have a chance to burn out. And don't put him in the pen every day but just enough for the pup to learn how to stop a hog and maybe a tune up every now and then to put hog on his mind.
Boom hit that one on the head. I forgot to include that little jewel of a tip on your young dogs. Superb advice Rueben. Always leave them youngsters wanting more and pulling at the leash. Pay attention to your puppies attention span cause they are all different. If you see the little ones fading rev em up and pull em in the heat of the moment. When I said let em bay until they slober I specifically meant more mature pups not the youngsters. Good you included that. |
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Noah
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2011, 07:33:49 pm » |
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Between Reuben, YellaBlackMask, and Hittman...
I might just learn somethin' here...
Well spoken and excellent points.... keep it comin'!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2011, 07:35:48 pm » |
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man if you were closer i have a trainig hog that is great for pups to work or finshed dog as well
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Feed them good hunt em hard.
The best training can't make up for bad breeding.
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hittman
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2011, 10:57:39 pm » |
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Well said Reuben. All good points.
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