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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2011, 10:31:31 pm » |
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My best gyp would tuck her tail and fall on her back. Showed her a hog and she lit it up. Have you shown the dog a hog to see how she reacts? Who cares if the dog is shy of it hunts.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2011, 09:47:50 am » |
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Most timid dogs are born that way and I consider this a fault in the breeding. I have put in more time than I care to speak of with timid dogs. I have never seen one come around to being productive and are all culls in my opinion.
If she was the only dog I had, I may still keep trying but I would never consider her as a breeder no matter how good her breeding was.
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2011, 10:12:51 am » |
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It might come from DNA, but I wouldn't consider it a fault. Put the pup in a pen with another pup that too friendly and spend lots of time with it. If the pups going to hunt it will be very independent. Some of my best dogs started just as you described. Had a friend send me to get a dog from widow woman. The reason was because they only seen it from a distance and was chasing the cows. Turned out it was a bmc given to them by one of the locate stockmen. When we got this dog hemmed up under the barn I put gloves and a heavy coat on to keep from getting bitten. That day my coat was shredded and the dog pissed and crapped all over me. Made my first outstanding strike dog and helped start many others.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2011, 01:03:02 pm » |
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I will have to side with the cull end on this subject. I have seen people that work with em to no limits end only in producing a modest help dog that is usually lacking the full package. I will always allow for the one in a million like the dog described above, but for me personally I have delt with these wild cornered coyote acting dogs before and they take up to much of my time when it is better spent else where on something that has sense. I will not chase a dog down to catch it in the woods. If he wants to stay that bad and act like a coyote then he will get his wish very quickly as soon as I get my gear off it. Extremly submissive dogs are a different story as long as they have sense and take care of there buisness. If they bite when being handled they are culled on the spot. If the subject here is how to spend time on a good yard dog or attempting to settle down a pet let me back off, but if we are all talking about working dogs then why waste time and money on a shaky deal to begin with. My opinion only boyz. I hope everyone finds what suits them in the end.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2011, 04:05:59 pm » |
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And then there are again here comes another issue... Gott alove the internet and opinions...
SUBMISSIVE DOG and COYOTE/ anti-HUMAN SOCIAL are TWO totally different THINGS.
I would rather have a semi submissive dog all day every day, that has nothing to do with their abilty to handle awkward situations, loud noises, large groups of people in the woods, Gun Shots, Getting injured, OR HOW HEY HANDLE THEMSELVES WITH A HOG, I have some borderline roll and pee themself dogs that are good dogs on a hog, they do NOT SUBMIT to the enemy/prey!
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2011, 06:31:23 pm » |
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I have raised dogs that were the baddest in the yard and tried to always show their dominance. Some of these dogs wouldn't catch a hog but only bay.
I also have seen dogs that would get beat up by the other dogs and they would submit and these dogs were fearless on a bad boar.
I have seen dogs that are laid back and stay away from confrontations that were fearless.
The very best hunting dogs I have had have been laid back type dogs and played hard every now and then as pups but mainly were out exploring. But when the tail gate dropped these were the first to leave out and usually they were the smartest.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2011, 06:35:48 pm » |
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I would never breed that dog if it does come around unless it comes on quick. Some people say gunshy bird dogs are not born but made. This is not true. A buddy of mine kept telling me how great this bitch was that he owned. Only problem was she was gun shy. He bred her and never shot around the pups. We were running one of the pups and it pointed and I waked in and killed a bird right in front of it. That dog headed for the truck. Then he gets mad at me and says I gun shyed his dog. I told him that he should never have bred the momma because like begets like.
You don't have anything in the dog so you could afford to fool with it a little. However, you got to figure your time, gas money, and dog food. A guy that I used to train with that was a pro said that in lots of cases it would be cheaper and smarter to buy quality pup out of proven dogs and start from there.
I had a male bird dog one time that was a direct son of a national champion out of a direct daughter of a national champion. I just knew that a dog with this pedigree had to be great I just had to put in the time. Not true. This dog could have set pointers back 50 years with selective breeding. His sister was bred to a champion that I know produced good bird dogs. The pups my friends bought were just like their momma--a crazy run off dog that did not care what planet you were on. Watch out because it has been my experience that the bad traits seem come out in a dog easier than the good ones.
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2011, 06:48:39 pm » |
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I would never breed that dog if it does come around unless it comes on quick. Some people say gunshy bird dogs are not born but made. This is not true. A buddy of mine kept telling me how great this bitch was that he owned. Only problem was she was gun shy. He bred her and never shot around the pups. We were running one of the pups and it pointed and I waked in and killed a bird right in front of it. That dog headed for the truck. Then he gets mad at me and says I gun shyed his dog. I told him that he should never have bred the momma because like begets like.
You don't have anything in the dog so you could afford to fool with it a little. However, you got to figure your time, gas money, and dog food. A guy that I used to train with that was a pro said that in lots of cases it would be cheaper and smarter to buy quality pup out of proven dogs and start from there.
I had a male bird dog one time that was a direct son of a national champion out of a direct daughter of a national champion. I just knew that a dog with this pedigree had to be great I just had to put in the time. Not true. This dog could have set pointers back 50 years with selective breeding. His sister was bred to a champion that I know produced good bird dogs. The pups my friends bought were just like their momma--a crazy run off dog that did not care what planet you were on. Watch out because it has been my experience that the bad traits seem come out in a dog easier than the good ones.
x2, I always say that when you have to put a lot of time breaking or socializing a pup or dog then be prepared to do the same with the offspring. Line breed and inbreed the naturals or at least focus on breeding this type of dog. Natural hunting dogs begets a higher percentage of natural hunting dogs... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2011, 10:49:55 pm » |
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we have had dogs and have broke them of it also i have a 14 month old female i got from a buddy she is just like you said 1 month later she walks on a lead like a noemal dog and comes out her kennel when im outside spend time with your dog be very easy DO NOT HIT THE DOG NO MATTER WHAT it takes alot of one on one time and patients
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