Papers or no papers that is the ?

[Zaneo]

I was just curious about the pros and cons of buying a papered pup from a good line and how many ppl on here care about papers or not. Just trying to weigh my options

[Mike]

Papers don't find hogs.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I would say that totally depends on your overall objective. 

Are you in it to only catch hogs?  Some are, so are not. You've got to decide what your longterm goals are. Proceed towards that direction (with a great amount of research, evaluation, and thought). Jmo!

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One benefit of papers is that you can see the consistency amongst the ancestors or lack of it. I was amazed the other day when I sold a plott pup to a guy that had plotts for over 50 years, he told me this one particular dog way back (that was extremely well known) would throw a certain trait that you could only see in the paw. Black river Bawlie would produce pups with greying fur in between the toes of pups. Totally amazed me when he showed me.

[redtick23]

i have dogs with papers and with out they hunt the same but papers an help you know what to look foward to

[Zaneo]

Cutter bay
Currently have no dogs with papers right now and yes my ultimate goal is to catch more hogs   my no papered dogs r doin just fine for me! I was just wanting to add some proven blood mabye idk tho most ppl breed out of proven dogs wheather they have papers or not a very expensive puppy could b a very expensive cull never know? Jm .02

[Dogojones]

I only deal with papers. It helps keep
my options open. If the dog want hunt send him to the show ring. Can't show them or reg. them without papers. If you're selling dogs the first thing a buyer ask you for is papers just to get a lower price. At least that's how it is up north. Jmo

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Cutter bay
Currently have no dogs with papers right now and yes my ultimate goal is to catch more hogs   my no papered dogs r doin just fine for me! I was just wanting to add some proven blood mabye idk tho most ppl breed out of proven dogs wheather they have papers or not a very expensive puppy could b a very expensive cull never know? Jm .02

What is having a papered dog got to do for a guy that only wants to catch hogs. You let me me pick 25 dogs from the pound, and I'll have 10 catching their own hogs on the right piece of property within 3 weeks.  Papers are more for those that want to breed dogs.  If you never plan on breeding your own line, I can't see it helping enough to justify the cost.

Now having said that, there are plenty of people breeding dogs that have no business doing so. They are simply creating more culls.  Buying into a breeder's line whether the dogs are papered or not, is merely a tool to have in your toolbox of knowledge. It helps mold your finished product by knowing what your ingredients are.

If you just like catching hogs, feed your dogs tracks. If they don't have the tools to consistantly get it done, find replacements that will move you closer to your final goal.  I am not into dogs to catch hogs. It is so much more than that. To each his own.   

[dub]

Depends on the breed. Cur dogs who cares, catahoula maybe, Dogo definitely.

But if the dog doesn't catch hogs it can take the papers and get out. Not having papers doesn't catch pigs either 

Papers no papers who cares? Better catch pigs.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Papers don't find hogs.

As much as I enjoy jacking with Mikes emotions. Great point! Have to go with that myself.

Definition of paper (A material made of cellulose pulp, derived mainly from wood, rags, and certain grasses, processed into flexible sheets or rolls by deposit from an aqueous suspension, and used chiefly for writing, printing, drawing, wrapping, and covering walls).  

Did anybody get great hunting dog out of that description?  Nope neither did I.

For hunting dogs in my opinion worthless. Show dogs why not Paris Hilton has em on Tinker Bell !
  

[jesse]

never in my hog hunting days have i seen a big old boar stop and say hay dog you got papers dog  says nope hog cuts dog all up dog says yes dose hog still cuts dog up.i ant never had a papered dog. Dose it matter if you got thim or not         

[HS]

you guys are right  papers dnt find hogs!!  but I can breed 2 mediocre dogs  that are line bred and come from some good bloodlines that have been proven many times and have better odds on gettin better pups than if you breed 2 super strike dogs that you dnt really know where they came from..              just my 2 cents!

[BIG CHRIS]

to me papers just show where a dog came from! sure i can breed the same dogs, and sure they may or may not work. when its all said and done if u line breed off another mans name all u did was ride his coat tails!!!  i looken to better the breeds i use, i may take this dog that works from this line and this dog came from that line of dogs, but what i wanna do is try and lock in the traits i desire from each dog. and that is where a good line bred dog comes into play each line of dog posses traits that another line may not have u take the 2 dogs u make the cross, cross ur fingers and hope that u can achieve what u was crossen for. if u did`nt breed what u was looken for cull the litter and go back to the drawing board. the ultimate goal is to have a whole litter that posses all the desire traits that im looken for, this will take years im only 26 so i hope i have years to come, and many breedings ahead of me!!! in the end im goen to have dogs with lineage a mile long and does`nt have a stitch of paper big enough to wipe my butt with.

[Hog_Hunter_57]

I have just one question if papers dont mean any thing why do all of the big time yellow dog breeders in south texas charge $500-1000 per pup for the papers if papers and breeding dont find hogs why would some one pay this kind of money? Just to catch hogs because ever one that buys these pups are not all breeders? Just wondering?

[Bryant]

Take anybody who has bred any line of dogs for any amount of time, and they can tell you the lineage of anything on their yard.  Wether it be documented by registry, written on paper in his dresser drawer, or solely by memory alone there will always be some sort of record, and therefore some rhyme or reason why he/she made this or that cross.

The problem with "papers" comes about when someone gets hold of one of these dogs and starts mass producing and breeding based on the names alone.

You guys are right...papers don't find hogs...but if successful, consistant breeding is your intent whether it be by written document or mental notes you better familiarize yourself with the lineage.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

I have just one question if papers dont mean any thing why do all of the big time yellow dog breeders in south texas charge $500-1000 per pup for the papers if papers and breeding dont find hogs why would some one pay this kind of money? Just to catch hogs because ever one that buys these pups are not all breeders? Just wondering?

Not to disrespect anybody but they ask it because of one thing. Their are always people that will pay it! Alot of our current hog hunters are young or new to the sport (nothing wrong with either). Everyone has to start somewhere and its human nature to want the best. Fire and smoke. Its easy to whip out a piece of paper that says your dogs are champions of champions to impress a novice. If I recommend any type of paper it would be a piece of notebook paper that you are frantically writing down the lineage of an old man's 60 yr line that he is giving you from memory.  But to each their own.       

[OCD]

i got some muts that find hogs, what are papers good for.

[Reuben]

registered dogs usually sell for more money. Especially pups... I steer clear from most of them because lots of people will breed the dog because it has papers and not care whether it is a proven hunting dog or not...they do it because they have a chance to make money because of the registration papers.

[kader-curs]

Papers don't find hogs.

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[C L]

I agree that papers don't find hogs. However, I like to know as much as I can about the pedigree/lineage of a dog that I consider breeding, and the hunting/working abilities/habits of the dogs in that pedigree. I value the verbal account of this from the person(s) who raised and hunted those dogs as much or more than a set of papers from a registry. Therefore, I agree with those that are saying that pedigree/lineage is important, but papers are less so. Correct papers do help keep up with lineage.