How to explain?

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Ok guys, my mom is new to all of this, and asked me several questions tonight while we were talking that I didn't know how to explain. Can y'all help me?

She said that she completely understands why we hunt pigs, and that it needs to be done.

Her only hold backs are A) she feels like some of the pigs are tormented just because they are stupid pigs, and B) that many people just say screw it, cull, if a dog doesn't work instead of trying to find it a home where it could live and be happy.

How do I explain to her that most of the time, we do respect the pigs as a living creature, and don't cause unnecessary pain?
And how do I explain the reasoning, and why's of culling?  I completely understand, and agree that culling is necessary, just am not sure how to explain why... Does that make sense?

[SCHitemHard]

wow this is new...

well: A) its due to some "people" take it out of their way to torment a pig and then make it public, then PETA uses it as gas in a already burning fire. these people make us look bad.

B) culling really is hard to explain cause nobody can really understand it but another hunter, ive culled my share, im sure everyone has. its just cause we want the best of the best, and we dont wanna feed a extra mouth that wont put food on the table so to speak

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Well, here is how she feels about culling, whether it be right or wrong, lord I REALLY do not want a fight started here...

She feels like if you are going to breed a pair of your good dogs, and say only 2 pups out of 8 come out as decent pups, you still made the commitment to all 8 pups to care for them for their entire lives, and what gives you the right to take it away?

NOW I want it known, that while I can't explain the reasoning behind culling, I do agree that it is necessary, and must be done.

[Circle C]

To me culling can be as simple removing from the gene pool. Spay/neuter and find a pet home.
Dog or human aggression equal euthanasia for me.

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Circle C, I AGREE with you 100%, she just feels like more hunters euthanize than rehome? Is that a fact, or is she being misinformed?

[SCHitemHard]

To me culling can be as simple removing from the gene pool. Spay/neuter and find a pet home.
Dog or human aggression equal euthanasia for me.

agree its not killin the dog or dumping it out somewhere, but yet again its these "people" that do that and it makes a bad rep for everyone else

now the aggresion yes, i would take it to the pound and tell them its a hard dog and if they cant find a rightful owner to do what they gotta do

[dub]

Cull means clip it and find a pet home.

Have you seen what a hog does to itself. Plus look at a boar when you catch it. I think they enjoy it in a perverted way. This is a public forum that children can read so I will not explain it in detail.

I don't really care if anybody likes it or me. Most people that are against it either have no clue at all or they saw some crazy video of some fool.

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Dub, help me out buddy... I am trying to get my mom on our side, Right now she is still on the fence.

[SCHitemHard]

tiny my gfs family is on the other side of that fence....

[Circle C]

Circle C, I AGREE with you 100%, she just feels like more hunters euthanize than rehome? Is that a fact, or is she being misinformed?

I really don't know. For what its worth, I have euthanized an entire accidental litter. I didnt want to put a bunch of pups out there that I don't want, and I figure if I don't want one of the pups, nobody else would. Hunters, non hunting breeders, any "respectable" breeder of dogs knows that culls occur. It would be a wild guess to say how most hunters handle their culls, but I can say that if you look at the dog trade, you will see that a large number of culls are sold rather than euthanized, or placed in pet homes.....

[djhogdogger]

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[Zaneo]

Trying to find a dog a new home is good but can be very hard at times its always worth a try but sometimes culling has to b done its something that is best unmentioned or not talked about with most

[BarrNinja]

Circle C, I AGREE with you 100%, she just feels like more hunters euthanize than rehome? Is that a fact, or is she being misinformed?

What is causing her to feel that way Tiny?

[catchrcall]

There are times when euthanizing can be more humane than rehoming.  If I sell or give away a substandard dog, then that dog could very well spend it's life being handed off from owner to owner and never really finding a "home".  Also many hunting bred dogs are just not suitable to be a pet.  They may have a ton of energy but no drive to hunt,  making them useless to a hunter and a liability to a pet owner.  I also feel responsible for a dog that I give away.  For example if I had a dog that I was not comfortable to have around kids, and I gave it away and it bit somebody I would feel terrible.  And responsible.  I would rather see the dog put down. 

Before I deployed I had two dogs that I liked, but really didn't fit what I wanted in a hog dog.  Decent dogs at what they did, just not "wired" right for my tastes.  I could have just put them down, but gave them away instead and last I heard they were doing fine for the new owner.  I think a lot of hunters will try to find a place that is a better "fit" if they think a dog is worth keeping.


How many would consider rehoming to be culling? 

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Ninja, honestly, I think it is because of what happened to Garin, that bmc male I got from Nogalus boy. Donny found him on an oilfield sight literally at death's door, so he picked him up and saved him, but he wasn't able to hunt, so I took him. Well when I got him home, I took him to the vet, and they thought he had some neurological damage, so we took an xray, and sure enough, he has bullet shrapnel in his brain... He has made a GREAT house dog, sleeps with me every night, and has gotten very protective, but in the bay pen he is mostly a "me too" dog.

[Circle C]

Ninja, honestly, I think it is because of what happened to Garin, that bmc male I got from Nogalus boy. Donny found him on an oilfield sight literally at death's door, so he picked him up and saved him, but he wasn't able to hunt, so I took him. Well when I got him home, I took him to the vet, and they thought he had some neurological damage, so we took an xray, and sure enough, he has bullet shrapnel in his brain... He has made a GREAT house dog, sleeps with me every night, and has gotten very protective, but in the bay pen he is mostly a "me too" dog.

He could have been the result of a weekend warrior property owner putting a bullet in him, or a deer hunter thinking he was running the deer off his feeder.... hard to know that he was actually "culled" by his previous owner based on the info in the above post.

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Circle C, I agree with you. My mom is just convinced that he was culled be he has not shown a real interest in hog, both in the bay pen and in the woods with me.

SHEESH... MOTHERS!!! 

[Circle C]

Heck, if her mind is made up, I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to her.

For what it's worth, my mother is a UT alum, tea sipping hippy, bleeding heart liberal (she claims to be independent, but that's BS)  She knows that we need to use the dogs to hunt hogs, and she doesn't give me any grief over it, she just doesn't want to be a part of it... That arrangement works out just fine.  

[BarrNinja]

Have to agree with Circle C on this one Tiny. People believe what they want to believe. Even mothers.

[Reuben]

Tiny,

Like previously stated, culling can mean lots of things like placing in non hunting homes etc. etc.

Does your mom eat pork, beef, and or chicken? The way I see it people need not be having a double standard. And if they are vegetarian that is ok too just don't try to force it on others.

 Mother nature is the hardest when it comes to culling.... We all need to look at the big picture and not get tunnel vision. Some folks walk around with rose colored glasses.

I am not trying to be rude nor harsh just speaking the facts as to how I see them.