My YBMC trailed a 16 hour old track!!! I read it on the web!!!!

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Jerry,
A Bluetick that has a cold nose is a lot more common that a cur tracking 16 hr old imprints. Both types of dogs have their strengths and weaknesses. However, true cold-nosed is not a cur trait.  Most guys that hunt curs will tell you a 2.5 hr old track is a lot for a cur.  I know there are exceptions, but not 16 hours worth of them. 

You do realize that the dog Jerry is talking about is a BLUE LACY not a BLUE TICK!

No, I did not realize that.  Thank you for telling me. 

[jerryg]

Just to confirm, the dog is not a Blue Lacy, its a strain of dogs that was developed by the Hindes family out of South Texas.  Not blue ticks.  Now, when a deer stops bleeding, the dog tracks on the interdigital glands of the deer., which is located between the hooves.  What happens at the beginning, the dog associates all the scents the deer is emmiting, with the interdigital gland of the particular buck, (during the rut the associate the musk gland which is stronger smelling, that is why our odds always increase during the rut)...so when they plug up, the dog continues on that particular interdigital scent....

Jerryg

 

[matt_aggie04]

Hes what ever yall want to call that.....hes more cur then hound I believe.

[jerryg]

So can a WB or a BMC, or any cur take a 16 hr track of a particular hog, I honestly think that it might be able to, there are many variables.  Wet vs dry condition, early or late in the evening vs. middle of the day.....  

I was tinkering with some crosses for blood tracking not long ago when I came across a WB BMC dog my buddy ownes.  I was thinking of crossing him over my catahoula/hound cross but honestly, the BMC has a great nose, drive, just as good than my hound cross, ... plus the brains. So instead of trying to reproduce or produce a tracking dog, I started looking hard at the BMC line of dogs, because in my opinion, that dog possessed all the characteristics I wanted in a bloodtracking dog.  Now I have no vested interest in any BMC dog, line, etc  and I decided to keep working on what I had, but if I would change, I would look strongly at certain BMC lines...just an opinion

[jerryg]

The Hindes call them Blue Dogs..

Jerryg

[catchrcall]

I've seen my tracking dog take a 23 hr old track on a bow shot hog and find it.  The only disclaimer is that he only had to follow for a couple hundred yards before he found the hog, but I've also seen him find at about 12 and 13 hours too.  It's not unusual for someone to take a track the next morning and find what they're looking for.  In my opinion it has less to do with time, and more to do with the length of the trail and the condition of the trail.  

I do agree that blood will hold scent better than just a trail where an animal walked, but a lot of times there's not much blood to be found.

I'd like to meet Roy some time and listen to him talk dogs. 

[Circle C]

Here is a similar discussion from November of last year... The question was, can a dog take a 5 MONTH old track?

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=21450.0

[BIG BEN]

 All BS aside its just advertising, The thread should be "Great Dog or Great Promoting", Im thinking great promoting.JMO

[bignasty]

i heard it all now

[OCD]

All in all i would hate to track a dog that is trailing a 16 hr old track, that could get kinda rangey

[bailey508]

i personally rode with and witnessed a set of prison hounds track a robbery suspect. the track was atleast 12 hours old when they got their with the hounds. granted they were all flop earred blood hounds and red bones but once they got a scent, they never let up. we rode about six miles behind em till they got an old train depot and some tire tracks.

i gonna say a cur couldnt hit a really cold track. dont know if i want to stay behind em for that long though.

[coach]

It took along time to convince you didn't it Jerry! JK

I don't think people are promoting a dog here. Just think that a cur dog which ever type you hunt, can do it. They just as ourselves have to be pushed to do so. Work the track till they get it hot enough to where they will take it and go with it.

Starting pups you sometimes walk near a tank and see that the hog was there 30 min ago. All the signs are there. Tank is murkey, where he got out. The ground is still wet, the tree where he rubbed still has wet mud. The pups might walk around follow it for 50 yds and come back. Walk the dogs in there, push them to take the track. You will find that doing this a couple of times and they start to understand what you want them to do. I know that most of us do that, but the same goes for wanting a dog to take an older track. This is something I believe in. Push em beyond what you expect them to do, and sometimes it will really payoff.

[jerryg]

Long time to convince me that what? That the Hindes dogs are not Lacys, I knew that when Roy told me his dad bred some Lacy in them some time back....just a little.  Your the one that called them big Lacys  ....  Look more like a cur than a hound for sure.  That dog in the picture looks like Gus.  I have seen that dog take some tracks.....on one track, he tracked a deer 9-10 hrs after it was shot, my young dog tracked it approx 1/2 mile and I pulled him off the track.  My good female was in heat and I could not run her that day.  At the spot I pulled my dog off the track, old Gus worked it for 15 minutes and kept on going,  another 1/2 mile later, Gus takes a 90 degree turn and goes in about 100 yards.  Roy is using his quicktrack and says..old Gus has not moved, lets wait here a bit, 10 minutes later he turnes on the quicktrack and says..hes in the same spot..there is your buck.  As we quietly walked in I hear Gus chewing on the deer.  Deer was dead.  The hunter lookes at Roy and says...I will never admit to this .... and he plants him a big old kiss!!!!...  We laughed!!  The only spot of blood on the whole track was two quarter sized spots at the shot.  I pulled my dog off the track, my fault for not having the confidence in him, old Gus walked right over his tracks and kelpt on going.  Buck was a 190 clas deer.  Shot at 7 am and found at 6 pm.    

Here is a pic

[coach]

No dummy about the lacy's> LOL

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Jerry,

That is a great buck. 

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

A sixteen hour track in southeastern Louisiana is not the same as a sixteen hour track in southeastern New Mexico.

I've seen curs take cold tracks, but those I've seen take cold tracks will not do it cosistantantly, only circumstantially. Conditions generally need to be right.

I think a lot of People would be surprised at what their dogs are capable of, if they just stayed out of the way...  "Ole Dan is gettin' out a lil far, hate him to bump a deer."
Most folks won't give dogs time to sort out a track either, if it's not hot enough to bolt with, let's move on...
That gets dogs in the rut of not even considering those colder tracks...

Smaller places and established resident hog populations don't make for cold nosed curs...

[SwineHunter]

they got the hog on camra  ;)and knew he was in the area on a friday evening went back sat. morning caught him  8)and called it a 16 hour track   it all BULLSH%# 

[Scott]

My question is....how do they know the hog that was bayed/caught was they same that left the track? You reckon he was the only hog in the woods?

[John]

well , i can't answer your ? knight stock , but if my ybm's finished a 16 hr track i'd figure that hog was feeding there 16 hrs ago and was bedded down afew hundred yards ( at the most ) away !  

  2x

[catchrcall]

My question is....how do they know the hog that was bayed/caught was they same that left the track? You reckon he was the only hog in the woods?

In my case, because I knew what stand he was shot from and he still had the guy's arrow in him, which was the same as the ones he still had in his quiver.