"One Out" Presa Canario's

[MikeA]

Do you have the link for Dixie War Dogs?

[MikeA]

(915) 373-6476

[MikeA]

I would like to start by saying thank you to all that have posted about my dogs, and that Im not trying to upset anyone here.
When I say "Best" I mean it in general way. Our stock of dogs come from some of the best the breed has to offer. There pedigree is a proven to be great catch dogs and a great working dog. My dogs are new to the sport, but if anyone would like to take a look at some pics Im in the process of getting my websiste up and running. If anyone would like to see em out I would love to show you. You wont find to many pics on the web of them here because like I said there isnt to many people using them here in the states because of the cost of dog.
This is why I need your help! I need you to be willing to try out one of my dogs and see what they can do. The breed has a prey drive that is among the best in the wold. You will not be sorry with one on our dogs. Our dogs when full grown (males) will be about 25in and weigh about 120lbs (females) 24in and about 110lbs. We don't breed for the great big heavy "americanized" dog that can't keep up and do what we want them to do. Our dogs are true to the original size and standards. Ours are a little bigger than a Dogo Argentino and about the same size as an American Bulldog. They are just as athletic and as fast as both. They have the drive and stamina that keeps them going just as long if not longer than theese breeds. There breeds ruggedness and nerves make them among he best catch dog. As for dog aggression there sociolization is the key. Obidience, Obidience, and complete controll of the dog on and off leash. As with any dominate type dog, ie Pit Bull terrier/Dogo Argentino/American Bulldog, that is always a possibility. With the proper training this wont be a problem.


Please feel free to call me so we can chat (915)373-6476 
Please check out the following links for addition info on the "Presa Canario"
  http://www.casadeltoro.net/
  http://www.casadelpresa.com/
 
thanks Mike

[Bryant]

You wont find to many pics on the web of them here because like I said there isnt to many people using them here in the states because of the cost of dog.

..so where ARE they frequently used for catching hogs?


Also keep in mind that pedigree does not equal proven.

[muleman]

Im with you Bryant, I cant find anything about them being used on hogs. As far as one out dogs, are they fast enough to run a hog down and catch it?? Do they have enough hunt in them to track hogs?? And when and if they do catch a hog are they handling the hog or just trying to kill it. My final point is that if they cost 2500+ and you can get an American Bulldog from PROVEN lines for 400. Why would you choose a Presa. even if they are as good as an AB or other catch dog.

And my only other point is....how can you name a kennel "one out Kennels" when you have not hunted your dogs one out??

Please dont get mad Im not trying to be an ass im just trying to understand.

[uglydog]

Jack Russels have planty of Prey drive that does not make them fast or agile enough to catch hogs in the wild, and on the run. If you are seeing hogs and turning them loose that is nothing more than a catch dog.

If these dogs can't be affordable with alot of access to actual hunters rather than weekend hobbyist that don't make a hog dog.

What works in one country don't make it true here. I have seen hundred of dogs that can catch a hog but that don't make them a good catch dog either. So if you are advertising these as "The Best" you better have them out proving it first, in Texas where they have to catch multiple hogs in a day.

One huge aggressive dog. Requires months of social/obedience training before you can trust the dog in a hunting pack situation. plus a $2500.00 price tag does not make them one bit practical to a hunter that has about $2500.00 tied up in a whole pack of dogs that are bred to just do the job with little training or conditioning. If I spent $1500 on a dog I doubt I would be sending him to catch a hog, that may end his life within seconds.

Approach your words more carefully with respect to folks with the years upon years of experience of hunting, breeding and training many proven generations of real working dogs and you will get the same respect in return.

I have a bulldog person that is a friend now, I have taken months to teach him why I don't need any fresh unproven bloodlines in my kennels, when I have spent years developing a bloodline of dog that handles any and every situation with excellence and I can provide these dogs readily and affordable to other hunters.  It don't matter what their papers have on them or what their conformation looks like, If it ain't broke don't fix it, or another way of saying it "Quit trying to reinvent the wheel".

You have an invitation to show your dogs, and if your dogs can do what you expect of them, for real, where it realy counts, I will be the first to give a dog the credit it deserves, and I will speak openly of a good dog no matter who it belongs to. However at this point with catches in a pen and storys by word of mouth it sounds like you yourself have yet to see them realy see them do the job where it counts- IN THE WOODS.

No disrespect to you as a person I am sure you have a true love of the breed and want to see them getting worked and proven and that is saying something for you as a dog handler that you are actually wanting to use a dog to its true working abilty. I respect a 100 times over someone that just breeds a dog because it has a set of papers on them. I am sure you have alot of time and money invested in your dogs as most of us already do as well.

[MikeA]

    Once again thanks for the feedback. This post is to everyone who reads it, not anyone specifi. I can talk about my presa's all day long. Yes I have put a lot of time, effort and money into them. Im not here to make a living out of them Im simply here to promote a great dog to hog hunters and to everyone that will listen.       
    As for the price tag, Im not asking $2500 for one of my dogs. I also understand that people can get a proven dog for $400. Im just simply trying to get some exposure to my dogs and the breed itself for what it was originally breed and used for. Im looking for some hog hunters that want to try something new to the US.  As where where they come from and are used. They come from from Spain and the Canary islands.
    Remember when the Dogo Argintino first hit the US, what was everyones reaction? They work in Argintina but not yet in the US and now look at them. They are easy to come by and not at all expensive anymore. Ya you can buy one for "SHOW" and spend $1500+, but thats not what hog hunters want. They want a true working dog and thats what Im trying to bring to the hog world now. Think about it!
    As for them being aggressive. Just like I said they aren't anymore aggressive than pits, dogo's, or any other bully dog when properly sociolized and trainded.
    Do you remember when you first started out on your dogs, getting a proven line, the excitement you had? Thats where we stand. Thats where you come in. We need your help to "Prove" or lines. I am only one person in El Paso tx, there is no one within 6hrs of me that is able to help me. Im counting on some people that want to take a chance. Are dogs do come from great lines and now we are trying to perfect them to be what we want, and what you want.  A "PROVEN" dog.

(915)373-6476 Mike

[Black Gold]

MikeA,

To get what you want and to get where you want to be you need to immerse yourself in hog hunting and show/hunt your dogs to everyone out there.  Being in El Paso is not helping you one bit.  Kinda like promoting an off-shore boat in a stock tank if you know what I mean.  If you really want to get your dogs into hog hunting then you are going to have to be prepared to travel to East, South, and North Texas and make hunts with folks and show those dogs hogs in free range places.  PArts of West Texas are getting hogs and some already have them thick, but nothing like the East, North, and Coastal Bend areas of the state.  To get the breed the recognition you are looking for you will need to get them to do what you say they can in front of a LOT of people.  Then be prepared to offer them at a price that can fit a hog hunter's budget.  Lastly, you will have to be prepared mentally for what may happen if they take off in popularity.....I'm talking about crossing with other breeds to pull desired traits from each.  Dogo's are popular in hog hunting but far more as part of a cross rather than pure.  Just do a search for "dogo" on this website and see how many people use dogo blood but how few use pure Dogos.......Some people that breed for pedigrees cant handle seeing that.  Hog hunters will take a dog and cross it to better suit their needs if they see fit.....They (we) see function alot higher than a piece of paper signed by some club or organization.  Of course, this is all putting the cart before the horse because there is a LOT of proving ahead of you if you are serious about doing what you say you are.

Or you can always go the:  I'll hunt my way cuz it suits me just fine. route.  All depends on what you are really doing and wanting. 

[jhy]

Dixie War Dogs site is no longer up, but if you google Art Parker Sr. or the International Catchdog Association you will see why.  He tested some and a few competed in sanctioned events.  If my memory serves me right they were a little smaller than what you have and still were fast enough to place against ABs and Pits.  However, I do compete in PP work and I love seeing them on the field and competeing against them with my AB.

Joey

[Texas_Cur]

They are great looking dogs.  I know nothing about the breed but am looking forward to hearing their progress from you. 

I do have a couple of questions: Are these dogs trash broken? When they catch do they thrash and bully the hog or just grab the ear and anchor?  If you are planning on using these dogs one out, have you done any sort of scent training, if so were they hot or cold nosed?

Good luck with your dogs

[hogdoggintexas]

I've put my dogs on several pigs, domestic thats all we have here in El Paso Tx. about 40-60lbs in size. I need something that will spark there interest. Does anyone know where I can get some wild hogs? They do great at first until the pig realizes he's lost and then they just leave it alone. What else can I do to keep my dogs going?

Thanks for the help!

?? that was not to long back   and now they are "THE BEST"

[MikeA]

Once again im not trying to upset anyone but this is what I said:
  "When I say "Best" I mean it in general way. Our stock of dogs come from some of the best the breed has to offer. There pedigree is a proven to be great catch dogs and a great working dog. My dogs are new to the sport,"
  That was a direct quote from my earlier post. My website is not yet up and running so unfortunatly I dont have my photos up. Give it a few days and I will have photos up.
 As for the price this was an earlier post and it read:
  "Normally these dogs run from $1500-$3000. We are asking someone just cover the cost of shipping or we can deliver him/her, and initial vet/cropping of the ears. It will total about $500-$750. If anyone is interested please email me at michaelacosta@oneoutkennels.com or call me at (915)373-6476 ask for Mike."
  So yes I understand they are different from what most people have seen or worked with, but as I said earlier when the dogo's came out they were talked about as aggressive and uncontrollable. I also understand that most people use a cross, dogo and several dogs. This is fine, and im up to working with people who are open minded and want an intellegent, athletic, prey driven, strong nerved dog. Im not questioning anyones way of hunting or the type(s) of dogs used. Im just simply here like everyone else, TRYING TO HUNT HOGS WITH DOGS!

Onece again I love all the feedback about my dogs, and the breed of dogs Im offering to the hog world.
Thanks
Mike

[So Oklahoma Cur Dogs]

Nice dogs and I hope they work out for you but calling your dogs the best is the problem. "The Best" isn't really a general term. It means the best. Now your dogs need to walk the talk. Good luck.

[TrueBlueLacys]

Regardless of best, I'd be really hesitant to promote these as "one out" dogs, period. Most Molosser breeds do not have the scenting ability to be track and find their own hog. And they certainly aren't built to run loose at top speed for miles in the Texas heat. I think you're gonna end up with a lot of dead dogs if you promote them this way. Look at the guys on here that use running catch dogs and you'll see that most of their RCDs have some sort of hound mixed in. Rhodesian, greyhound, etc... something fast with lungs.

Until you see your own dogs successfully go into the woods, find their own pig, run it down in the Texas elements, then catch and remain caught until you get there, don't call them "one out" dogs. Sure, sell them as catch dogs. That is one of the jobs Presas were bred for. But they were not developed to be running catch dogs. You'll have pissed off owners, probably some dead pups, if you market them as such.

You obviously care about the breed and your dogs. I understand that position as I deeply care about Lacys. But I'd never market them as catch dogs just because I see gritty ones grab an ear. Let them do what they were bred for and you'll find a successful niche in the hog dog world.

[txmaverick]

Your invite to get a dog for cost of shiping sounds nice but I personally wouldnt spend even 500-700 in shiping and vet bills for a dog from unproven stock.
I dont "one out" any more but wouldnt mind trying one as a catch dog that is if you want to come to the Hill Country and prove one.
You can prove him/her as a "one out" or "catch" doesn't matter to me.

I will say that if my dog had only seen 60 lb hogs in a pen I would never dream of trying to "one out" it where 200+ lb boars are known to be; so with that in mind maybe as a catch dog might be best place to start. That would impress me more than any "one out" BS anyway, "one out" is impossible where I hunt.

[Purebreedcolt]

dont know where in the hill country your at but my dads dog will one out on a hog just south of mason.  Now I guess I can not promote her as a one out in that she catches but she will dang sure put the breaks on one if he is big and then bay but will catch anything under 150 and she holds in the neck area.  She is half ridgeback and half lacy.

[keyserdawg]

My buddy and i owned one of these dogs years ago.  He died of pseudorabies.  He was a good catch dog, too big for most.  He did have good wind and could hang with us all day without a prob.  They are not one out dogs, they are mastiffs.  Yeah they have some nose al dogs do.  But betting on them to find you hogs often would be stupid.  The other prob we ran into trying more of them was, most if not all will eventually cur out.  I have also seen several do well in the quick catches they used to have in sc.  Several did well, but i think hog hunted more often people would see these are not the way to go.  Besides most of them are straight junk.  Was this guy for real with the one out stuff?   Any why the heck would you pay that much for suck a gamble?
Ben