Ivermectin ???

[5150hogdogs]

I have a buddy that has a cur as a house pet and he brought it to the vet and they vet says he has heartworms she wants to chargge him 300 a visit and 1900 for the heart worms now from my experance with usein ivermec and my understanding it kills and prevents heartworms right his dog is a lil over a year and about 55lbs I should give a 1/2 ml to him for about three months and will this take care of them

[Oly]

IF she has been treating with ivomec and it be me ---then I would get a second opinion.

[5150hogdogs]

No he hasn't I told him about it

[Oly]

I think I would still get a second opinion 300 and 1900 is no small ammount of money now a days.  JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION SIR.
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[hogaholicswife]

From what I have read the Ivomec doesnt kill the adult worms but rather the microfilaria, the life cycle isnt complete until the mosquito redeposits it into the dog.  The adult worm lives 2 years so technically if you keep them on a good dose of Ivomec your will be OK once the current worms die off.

A few years back out Forrest dog tested low positive, the vet said it was most likely because he had been on Ivomec and offered the treatment which I refused because we knew some guys that had one kf their dogs treated and when they started using again it died....I have also read that the treatment is extremely hard on them.  I cauhht some flack from the vet but ultimately he is my dog and I did what I thought was best.  I would have never known he was positive but I took him in for something else.

I also have a 15 year old dog that is positive and to me she gets around just like one at her age should...she chases squirrels and harasses the bikers with the best of them lol.  

1900 to me is entirely too much, if its a house dog I would get another opinion if you are set on treatment and do alot of reading.

[5150hogdogs]

Yea when he said that he wasn't sleep over the price I kinda ezzzzed his mind with fifty for a bottle thanks alot guys I'll let him know

[rdjustham]

From what I have read the Ivomec doesnt kill the adult worms but rather the microfilaria, the life cycle isnt complete until the mosquito redeposits it into the dog.  The adult worm lives 2 years so technically if you keep them on a good dose of Ivomec your will be OK once the current worms die off.

 I had a dog as a kid that was so infected the vet gave it 6 months and said dont bother treating it.  We gave it heart guard for a couple years and at the vet visit the vet said it had nothin.  heartworms only live two years.  Start it on Ivomec every month .1cc per ten pounds and keep it up.  if the dog lives long enough to let the adult heart worms finish their life cycle it will be fine.  The ivomec just keeps new eggs from hatchin so to speak

[bignasty]

yep i would just give him 1/2 cc every month he is only 1 yr old they cant be that bad...keep your money

[Jester896]

it takes about 6 months for the test they use to show positive...more than likely if it has them it is in Stage I at this point. hogaholicswife is correct in the lifespan of an adult Heartworm is about 2 years...however the adult worms can do damage in that time.  Keep the microfilaria and larva to a minimum with a .10cc per 10# of dog weight and it may come out just fine.  Stage II or III more than likely would need treatment and that is the going rate in these parts too.  The traetment can be hard on them.. 1/2 cc or ml would be a dose for a 50# dog...

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

I have a buddy that has a cur as a house pet and he brought it to the vet and they vet says he has heartworms she wants to chargge him 300 a visit and 1900 for the heart worms now from my experance with usein ivermec and my understanding it kills and prevents heartworms right his dog is a lil over a year and about 55lbs I should give a 1/2 ml to him for about three months and will this take care of them

If the dog has a good amount of heartworms and you give the normal dosage of 1/10 cc per 10 #'s, it will most likely kill the dog.  The Ivermectin actually parralizes the worm.  If the dog is infested, the dead worms will clog ther ports up.  That equals no blood flow, which means dead dog.  I know this for a fact first hand.  Try explaining this to your father in law who is upset about loosing a dog he raised from a pup.   

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

You can treat with the Ivermectin, but you must do it very low dosages over an extended time to slowly get rid of the heart worms. 

[noelle]

from my experience ivermectin will kill a dog that already has heartworms, i worm all mine with it, 1/2 cc under the skin... great for preventing them, but have killed 4 outta 5 dogs with it that already had heart worms.

[Jester896]

I have a buddy that has a cur as a house pet and he brought it to the vet and they vet says he has heartworms she wants to chargge him 300 a visit and 1900 for the heart worms now from my experance with usein ivermec and my understanding it kills and prevents heartworms right his dog is a lil over a year and about 55lbs I should give a 1/2 ml to him for about three months and will this take care of them

If the dog has a good amount of heartworms and you give the normal dosage of 1/10 cc per 10 #'s, it will most likely kill the dog.  The Ivermectin actually parralizes the worm.  If the dog is infested, the dead worms will clog ther ports up.  That equals no blood flow, which means dead dog.  I know this for a fact first hand.  Try explaining this to your father in law who is upset about loosing a dog he raised from a pup.   


your right.... but,i went on the information that he posted...dog is right at 1 year old...it takes about 6 months for the adult worms to appear and to show up on the test after the dog is bitten...so i figured 6-8 months of infection...and assumed the dog showed no visible signs of an issue...and it to be a Class I infection and those does of Ivermectin would be OK...if it was coughing and showing signs of fatigue after a small amount of exercise...it may be a Class II infection...I think Ivermectin is the slowest killer of the available products and I might cut the above dose to make sure there is a slow micro and larvae kill rate...If it is in congestive heart failure...Class III.... you more than likely will kill it with Ivermectin when so many are killed off at one time...but the animal is already in congestive heart failure...very much more interference with circulation would be lights out

[Bryant]

Can anyone point me in the direction of ANY resource or research that suggests that Ivomec will kill adult heartworms?  I'm not talking about a cousins friend who knows someone that used to be a vet or any BS like that.  I'm searching for documented proof.

[noelle]

look up the ingredients on heartguard or heartworm medicine that comes from the vet, or red mange treatment... ivermectin used from everything from flea control to mange to heartworms... just depends if u wanna pay the vet for a trusted tested product or take a chance on ur own... itll kill heartworms but most likely suffocate ur dog when they ball up... best used as a preventative from young age on up and mayb kill them if its not progressed very far but on mature dogs with heartworms itll either kill the dog or the worms or both. this is just my experience... best to compare the ingredients for a scientific answer

[Jester896]

Can anyone point me in the direction of ANY resource or research that suggests that Ivomec will kill adult heartworms?  I'm not talking about a cousins friend who knows someone that used to be a vet or any BS like that.  I'm searching for documented proof.

Ivermectin does not kill adult worms...so I can't point you to that document Adult Heartworms life span is about two years...as long as there is adult worm in the system they will be doing damage to vessels and the heart.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/heartworm_treatment.html here is a good one I have another at home and will post it here when I get home

http://www.heartwormsindogs.net/treatment-for-heartworms-in-dogs.html
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/11300.htm

[Bryant]

look up the ingredients on heartguard or heartworm medicine that comes from the vet, or red mange treatment... ivermectin used from everything from flea control to mange to heartworms

Noelle,

The active ingredient in Heartworm preventatives such as those you mention is Ivermectin (Ivomec)....it is a preventative that kills ONLY microfilaria.  I've read pages upon pages of research data...everything from the Merck veterinary manual to online discussions on common breeder forums and have found NOTHING to prove that Ivomec will actually kill the adult worm.  Some believe a regimen of Ivomec on an infected dog can shorten the life cycle of the adult worm while keeping the dog from getting worse thus letting the worms die off and pass naturally...there again no scientific proof, nor are the adult worms actually being killed by the Ivomec.

Nothing that I can find short of Immiticide has been factually proven to kill the adult worm, yet every couple of months someone comes on the site claiming otherwise.

Old time Heartworm detection test kits (which are more than likely still used by some) actually tested for the presence of microfilaria in the bloodstream.  Since microfilaria ARE killed by Ivomec, it would be very possible for a dog currently on a preventative to test negative that was indeed positive.  This is the reason it was (and commonly still is) advisable to test a dog prior to starting a preventative due to the fact that subsequent tests would result in a negative result.

For sure if I were to have a dog tested that was currently on a preventative regimen, I would question the vet on which test method was being used.

[treeingratterrier]

Is the rub the long adult heartworms dont show up in the tests because they are so big and likely clogging a heart or artery eating blood while those microfilla are floating around in the blood and get sucked up in the blood draw and them show up on the slide when they look at it and stain it with something???  I wonder if Levasole is still around???  Its sheep wormer with cynidie in it and we used it in the 60-70's to kill heartworm, we did not know what it did but i bet it really did kill adutls since it was basially the same thing as the vet was giving iv but in such massive doses that when it killed all of the adult heartworms in a heavyly invested dog it killed it due to too much dead worm load clogging up kidneys, heart valves other organs where they lodged when they died and the dog could not handle it???  2 weeks of 1 levalsoe pill a day cured many a dog for me plus hand feeding it and cooking it special hot food to help it not go into shock like thye always seem to do at the vets office??

[Bryant]

If the Levasole you mention contains cyanide, it probably did the same thing.  One of the active ingredients in the drug used now for treatment (Immiticide) is Arsenic.

[treeingratterrier]

If the Levasole you mention contains cyanide, it probably did the same thing.  One of the active ingredients in the drug used now for treatment (Immiticide) is Arsenic.

 

I going to look and see if i can find it online and look at the actual label ingredients, its been so long like 30 years....lol