any Walker hounds

[LionandBoarHunter]

I have been running hounds a long time on mainly bobcat and the treeing walker in our area can not stay in a hard race im talking about a 2 1/2 hour knock down drag out race in the south tx brush country. If you hunt alot and have 5 to 6 hard races a week the treeing walker i have seen will break down after about 4 years of age do to them being heaveier and not as light on there feet as the running walker. I have also seen the treeing walkers take a long time recover after a hard race were the running walker are ready the next mornin. But to each his own

[Reuben]

I think the good cur dogs already have a little hound in their DNA...

I believe the mtn cur, leopard cur, treeing curs etc. already have a little hound in them.

[FLBayNSlay]

I think the good cur dogs already have a little hound in their DNA...

I believe the mtn cur, leopard cur, treeing curs etc. already have a little hound in them.

I would agree with that, somewhere down the line I wouldnt be surprised at all. A guy down south told me 25 to 30 years ago he started his bloodline with a working bloodhound and a game bred bulldog. Now he has well built good size medium range dogs that catch and usually hold by themselves. He carries 1 maybe 2 dogs to the woods.

[Jabo]

I'd have to agree with Cutter on the nose on the ground trait with Treein Walkers. I have owned many Treein Walkers and all of them ran with their head in the air once it was jumped. Nose on the ground of coarse when trailing. Just sold my last one to a buddy of mine in north florida to buy myself a garmin for my cur dogs    I'll try to post some pics

[treeingratterrier]

I'd have to agree with Cutter on the nose on the ground trait with Treein Walkers. I have owned many Treein Walkers and all of them ran with their head in the air once it was jumped. Nose on the ground of coarse when trailing. Just sold my last one to a buddy of mine in north florida to buy myself a garmin for my cur dogs    I'll try to post some pics

   

Here is how you tell the difference, when a Foxhound makes a lose on a bobcat or fox it searches around heads up for the scent funnel, when a treeing walker makes a lose it goes back to trailing nose down, this is where they usually never recover, they will lose the track right there or start backtracking on the already run track or lose enuff recovering the gap is not closed, a fox hound will cast out and pick up the track heads up, not nose down.  Most treeing walkers are not good on bobcat or fox, they trail too much before they jump, sure somebody catches 2 or 3 cats and calls themselves cat and lion hunters with treeing walkers but in the thick hot texas brush it is not happening.  Hogs put out so much scent you prob never see the difference unless u hunted both kinds of hounds on both types of game.  Too have a good pack down here where i live one had to hunt 2 or 3 times a week with 10 foxhounds to regularly catch bobcats, never seen a treeing walker bobcat pack down here i can remember, they dont have the bottom to be roaded all night and them have a 1 hour race on a bobcat in a thcik cactus patch or whitebrush thicket.  Lots have treeing walkers who catch a cat or 2, but down here there used to Runnng Walkers packs that got 200 bocats and 5 to 10 lions a year depending on rainfall. 

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

As Cutter described above here are a few more pics for comparison. Can see the Treeing Walkers with alot blockier head and also as desribed the running with the broom tail and typically pointier built head. Both mighty fine hounds!

Running Walker





Treeing Walker

[Reuben]

while on the subject... does anyone on here know of the "CROGHAN" july or running walker wolf dogs. I read about them about ten or so years ago and would like to possibly buy a pup from this line of dogs.

I read they are of good size and are fast on track and they have a ton of gritt. They run to catch, again, if anyone know where I can find one of these are a line very similar please let me know.

[LionandBoarHunter]

i have heard of the calhoun hound there black and suppose to be able to really run we bought a pair of them before to cross over some of our running blood but they were stolen out of our pens But i have never heard of a Croghan hound

[LionandBoarHunter]

i hav also got a saluki hound thats pretty cool he can really run a hole in the wind

[treeingratterrier]

Crogans and most all foxhounds can be found in the hunter horn magazine, its sure small nowdays to tell the truth, too many deer fences and real estate agents buying up and splitting up big ranches for ranchettest with dog haters caused most of this.  You might just google Goodman, Birdsong, Running Walker, Hudspeth, Old Line Black and Tan Fox Hound, Crogan, Julys are in there once in a while as well, best thing is to find a coyote pen or fox pen close to you and go ask somebody who still has running foxhounds and is in the loop.  We used to have the South Texas Wolf Hunters Association 10 miles from the ranch but it is about all died out, have not been in years i thinking it is extinct alas.  Lots of Julys out in west texas and new mexico peeps tell me when i see the rare one down here and where they came from.  There is another foxhound magazine as well thats more east coast than Hunters Horn i cant remember anymore.  There is not a wolfdog pack in any surrounding county that i know of anymore down here alas, used to be sometimes 50 foxhounds from 10 packs would get in on bag yote and run em down 10 to 20 miles regularly, we used to have about 5 different places where wolf hunters would hang there coyotes so ranch and farmers could see the dead yote.  Mark Hellums has a pretty good kennel out east somewhere, they are feild trial dogs that Joe Rufus Lynee used to get every year for colder trailer foxhounds for south texas and mexico lion and bobcat hunting, gees, i still remeber hunting kit fox down beofre they became illegal, we did not have them here so the dogs were not broke off of them and they are terrible about running up and down rock river banks and going in holes to wreck dogs.  Smart lil fox for sure.  If you got the big country and tracking and shocking collars get a straight foxhound pack going and see the difference.

[tnhillbilly]

We have plenty of fox hunters here in the mtns, couple big fox lots. I dont think theres many that run in the open anymore. Mostly older gentlemen, gather in the lots and gather around a fire, whittle and tell lies. 
   Ive talked to one that lives just across the mtn from me, he said i could breed to his dogs any time. Ive been thinkin about it real hard.

[paul.m]

They are not full walker but are half walker and half Parker .
Silent on track , not real rangy, won't bark unless looking at the
hog , always wired ready to go , don't need anything but these 2 dogs
A good catch dog!

[Bigdog]

tree dogs r bred to tree and running dogs r bred to run its simple.i have saw sum crossed thst made good coon and deer dogs but ur kinda just messing up what there bred to do by crossing them.i would like to cross some running dogs with a cur,just dont have the heart to mess up that hound blood with that ole crappy cur blood,lol.i hunt some walkers on bear an hogs an they do fine,i have caught hogs n there beds,had races that didnt last 2 mins,and have ran them for miles till they bayed.but one thing i like about a hound is they dont runa hog out of sight then come back like they done something ,they might run it along ways but at least they will stick with it.its just whatever u like to hunt.i like hounds to run to catch game not just to run and thats a big difference when u look for a hound.

[bayed hard hog dogs]

Hey waylon I still coon hunt now and then I have a big legged walker papered up out of finley river dogs he will bay the s'not out of a pig he has only one problem when your coon hunting if there's hogs he is gonna bay um but I don't hog hunt him I got the cur dogs for that he runs a coon and a hog the same way SILENT well almost he'll bark when he strikes and when treed. That blood line of hounds are supposed to be all around bear,coon,and hog dogs but idk.

[SCHitemHard]

now we found a walker tied up to a tree middle of nowhere so i took her home, she was decent at findin a coon but she barely barked so i guess thats why they got rid of her, so is she a runner or walker?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

now we found a walker tied up to a tree middle of nowhere so i took her home, she was decent at findin a coon but she barely barked so i guess thats why they got rid of her, so is she a runner or walker?

Need more pics.  Tied to a tree, as in at night, or just tied on the side of the road during daylight hours? 

[waylon-N.E. OK]

Really nice to see those walker dogs on here fells both kinds, SCHitemHard If you get tired of that tight mouthed gyp send her north to Oklahoma I know many fellas who are always on the look out for a silent or tight mouthed hound. Good looking dog by the way, can't tell if she is running or treeing walker but she looks good either way

[Bigdog]

that is a tree dog im pretty sure,and a nice looking dog.if n e of u guys got ne tight mouth hounds call me 9184132620 im always looking to improve my pack.

[waylon-N.E. OK]

Russel I was talking about you in my above post, glad you gave your # I was gonna call you if he wanted to get rid of that gyp, I know how much of a die hard hound man you are. God Bless, Waylon

[Bigdog]

yea hadnt talked to u n a while but c ur still alive an kickin.i lost my best dog the other day.he was just 4 yrs old but got the tick diease aleakie and died with complications from it at the vets office.so im looking for a tight mouth hound.