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« on: June 30, 2011, 08:00:09 pm » |
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Picked up a male kemmer pup from Dee. Wife and kids got attached already while I was working out of town. I have only dealt with young strted dogs... Will you ruin a dog by keeping it inside as a pup? Have any of you kept a dog from pup to adult inside and he was okay hunting too? I am worried about him being in the ac then the heat hunting. And I am worried about the constant attention making him clingy instead of hunting. Other than that... What are some good ages to do certain training? Trail, use nose, show pigs. I just want to make sure he has the best chance to reach his potential... Like a "What should i be looking for a certain age" type of thing.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2011, 08:32:24 pm » |
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I think letting the kids play with the pup is good it helps put a good handel on them. But i think the ac is not good for them because they will not be used to the heat.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2011, 09:34:10 pm » |
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Thanks. The words of my grandpa keeps ringing in my ears " you cain't make a pet out of a hunting dog son!" He will probably be in the back when i fence in the yard to leep the strays out but I was hoping someone could tell me a success story about a inside hunting dog... I would hate to break the wife and kids hearts but it may have to happen.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2011, 09:39:04 pm » |
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I think letting the kids play with the pup is good it helps put a good handel on them. But i think the ac is not good for them because they will not be used to the heat.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2011, 09:46:48 pm » |
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A friend of mine bought a coon hound puppy around 6 weeks old. Raised him in the house. The dog would not hunt but was out of some of the best hunting stock. He sent the dog to a trainer and the dog started huntin. We went and hunted the dog while the trainer was still hunting him. My buddy got him back and put him back in the house. well at first the dog hunted but every time we'd go seemed like he would get slower an slower about goin out. The dog stoped hunting all together. So the trainer got to hunt him again he came back around an started hunting for the other guy.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2011, 09:50:44 pm » |
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2011, 10:15:16 am » |
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All of my pups spend time in the house, some more than others. But they all get moved out at 3 to 4 months and just get to come in occasiomaly. No heat problems that way but have a good handle.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2011, 10:41:01 am » |
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"You can make a pet out of a hunting dog" its alot harder to take a pet and make it into a hunting dog!
Social skills with humans and other animals is very important, however so many dog that come to me from pet homes to be trained are " overkill" with being taught to stay close, WHY? well you don' get out of the vehicle and let your PET run around an go hunting in the streets or neighborhoods, that would be irresponsible, so you teach them to be obedient and come when called, the dog learns boundaries and won't go as far as it has been COPNDITIONED to stay close, in order to be safe. Thats just one example of the things I try to UN-Condition out of pets that are here to be trained to work hogs.
I have no problem taking a full grown dog thats already hunting if it a good one and making it into acompanion, they can and do understand the difference if they are really a true hard hunting dog, being in the house does not change this. I have had some that decided they liked staying home in the AC better then hunting, THOSEARE NOT REALL HUNTING dogs, those are the Occassionall weekend warriors, hobby hunting dogs.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2011, 11:28:05 am » |
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I agree Krystal. Good hunting dogs are a lot more rare than good pets. I personally keep them seperate. Only time my dogs come out of the kennels is when it's time to work.
Bulldogs are a little different. Just picked up an AB puppy on Sunday and it's spent more time inside watching TV with my sons than anything else! I don't desire my bulldogs to hunt, and staying near me at all times is a good thing.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2011, 02:31:16 pm » |
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Bryant i agree i have been back and forth but finally i got it down my baydogs hunt 10x better when they are out on there chains bored to death and the only time they get let off is when its time to work my bull dogs i have 2 the 6 mnth old puppy stays out on the chain he is in training but my finished 2yr old stays in the house since his job is far more dangerous and his life expectancy is far short i let him enjoy the finner things in life but i do run him beside the truck everyother day for a few miles to keep him in shape and occasionally i put him in the pen so he keeps used to the heat but when i used to let my bay dogs in the house or let them all in the pen together they would hunt far less hard than now
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So basically when he starts training put him out and let him in on occasions... Like letting him take a nap with me after a long day of hunting  |
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well it depends on the dog....we keep our best dogs inside..which is just two...they are pets but know when we pull out our huntin gear what they need to do...ours are very well traned though so it could make a diff..maybe not. our dogs are still great inside or out. they still do good with heat too. they go outside and run when we do.
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Picked up a male kemmer pup from Dee. Wife and kids got attached already while I was working out of town. I have only dealt with young strted dogs... Will you ruin a dog by keeping it inside as a pup? Have any of you kept a dog from pup to adult inside and he was okay hunting too? I am worried about him being in the ac then the heat hunting. And I am worried about the constant attention making him clingy instead of hunting. Other than that... What are some good ages to do certain training? Trail, use nose, show pigs. I just want to make sure he has the best chance to reach his potential... Like a "What should i be looking for a certain age" type of thing.
Thanks in advance
i tell ya this all 6 of my dogs stayed inside, slept either on or near my bed but when the collars go on, and we head out to our plot of land they know that they arent 50lb lap dogs anymore i feel that a pack should have a pack mentality as it isnt just a hunter and is dogs, its a hunter, his wife, children, and the dogs as one so they eat, sleep, and hunt as one |
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I personally wouldn't have a dog in the house pup or not... My dogs come out the pen or off the chain and go to the woods, I don't believe in mixing hunting dogs and pets, I don't want my dogs bein spoiled I seen many good dogs that turned into family pets and ruined them, what's worse... (IMO).... is lettin the family get attached to a dog that mite get killed any day, or raisin a puppy in the house with the kids and it growing up to get all cut up or killed... I'd rather explain to my kids that there huntin dogs than have to explain why their pet and cute little puppy didn't come home... Mine have pet dogs that are loose, but my huntin dogs are not pets and when they get out of the pen it's strictly business till they get back in it. Im sure the ac doesn't do much for their durability when they have to go work, but again I expect alot from my dogs and they are worked harder than alot of other dogs I know so my situation mite b different from the next person but all around I don't think it's a good idea to have your huntin dogs as pets or raise a pup in the house, just my opinion and the way I do it, can't really say for sure tho cuz I've never done it any other way.
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I don't want my dogs bein spoiled I seen many good dogs that turned into family pets and ruined them, Thats the thing with us though...we dont really spoil them much. they dont sleep with us, they have there own kennel and actually like it. They sure dont get to eat what we eat liek people do with indoor pets. and they have a lot of disipline. I wont keep a dog inside unless im able to tell it to do something and it will do it. |
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I'm sure it's possible I just never have mixed the two so can't really say if it's good or bad for them... I gotta 4yr old daughter that gets attached to everything... Lol mine would b ruined and I'd have to not come home if one she wagged around got killed lol |
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If a pup develops kennel shyness due to lack of attention and socialization then this dog will never reach its full potential. Loud noises, strange people, loud commotions, and, this dog will slink off when you need it the most such as when you need it to hold the hog at bay or when you need it to hunt its best.
I reckon a pup could be ruined by too much wrong attention. An example would be to keep the dog close to you and call it every time it tries to range out. When we stop and think about it this is training without us realizing it. Some folks think that training is actually taking time out to train the dog. Even though we may not think we are training but the dog is being conditioned. I make a conscious effort to condition my hunting dogs for what I intend on using them for.
A hunting dog needs be somewhat well mannered but it needs to be encouraged to range out and to be independant...A pet needs to be well mannered and usually needs to learn to stay within a certain boundary.
I agree that if the dog is a hunting dog and is overweight because of treats and too much AC then it just makes sense that he will over heat because it is not acclimated to the outdoor heat.
I like for my hunting dogs to be outdoor dogs but they have been accustomed to the indoors as pups so that they can be brought in anytime and they feel comfortable doing so.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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If a pup develops kennel shyness due to lack of attention and socialization then this dog will never reach its full potential. Loud noises, strange people, loud commotions, and, this dog will slink off when you need it the most such as when you need it to hold the hog at bay or when you need it to hunt its best.
I reckon a pup could be ruined by too much wrong attention. An example would be to keep the dog close to you and call it every time it tries to range out. When we stop and think about it this is training without us realizing it. Some folks think that training is actually taking time out to train the dog. Even though we may not think we are training but the dog is being conditioned. I make a conscious effort to condition my hunting dogs for what I intend on using them for.
A hunting dog needs be somewhat well mannered but it needs to be encouraged to range out and to be independant...A pet needs to be well mannered and usually needs to learn to stay within a certain boundary.
I agree that if the dog is a hunting dog and is overweight because of treats and too much AC then it just makes sense that he will over heat because it is not acclimated to the outdoor heat.
I like for my hunting dogs to be outdoor dogs but they have been accustomed to the indoors as pups so that they can be brought in anytime and they feel comfortable doing so.
Thank you Reuben. Like I said earlier, I raise mine in and around the house and then move them out at 3-4 months, but let them in to visit off and on. I have no problems with them around people and beig outside keeps them conditioned to the outside temps. |
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I suppose there really is no rite or wrong answer... And I'm more in to the huntin end of things than the training end...IF... I have a young dog I'm training, which isn't often, I teach it manners, the old dogs teach it to hunt and if they are I'll mannered or won't range out and hunt they get culled early on, harsh rule possibly, but I rarely have the patience to train a dog that just has no promise for whatever reason it mite be...Bad Breeding, spoiled, overweight... I just rather spend my time huntin good dogs than tryin to keep dogs in shape and worry if their gonna range out or be too hot... When the tailgate drops the bull $@!& stops!!! No offense meant to anyone, it's just the way I always done it, I keep 4-5 finished or near finished dogs, breed when I need sum new ones, and only fool with one or two pups a year, don't have a bay pen or nothin so they grow up eatin sleeping and huntin with some dogs that'll steer them in the right direction  |
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I got some jagds in a plott inside in they range is 100 to 300. I don't.walk them on a leash that's what keeps your dog around u! If u chain up your dog it makes more range out of your dog, I like to walk hunt with the dogs ,so if u won't a long range dog just feed it and forget
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