Best way to stop baying at caught hog.

[BQM]

I've got a 10 month old cat turning out to be good bay dog already found and bayed own hog. I am having trouble getting him to hunt again after we get hog in trailer he wants to follow trailer and bay at trailer. The other dogs occasonally bay trailor but when I crank 4 wheeler they take off hunting again but this pup is persistant. I've got an E collar I put on young dogs when around livestock but I hate to use it while he's bay at the hog in trailor. Any one had this kind of problem before or have any suggestions? This is getting annoying.

[Clay]

He needs to be taught what a caught hog is. we usually start right after the pig is legged telling them caught hog and to get ahead. I dont let my dogs bay a caught hog unless it is a pup we are getting started.

[uglydog]

I would not use e-collar for that purpose at this age at all.

I teach my dogs that once I claim the hog it is mine, and to leave it alone. This is easiest accomplished if the other dogs will bay another hog immediatly but that is not always the option. As a pack leader, if the hog is yours, they would not question your authority with out challenging your authority. I would physicaly block his persistance and make him get ahead. If he does not then the pack leader would challenge, then dominate and correct any insubordance of any of the pack members. it make take time, but he can understand this with out feeling punished for baying a hog, but rather accept as a canine mentality. I would try this as soon as you tie the hog and make all them leave it, before even putting it in the trailer where it will be moving and appear to the dog as more of a challenge/distracting. We also give ours the command as "Caught Hog" "Get Ahead" while doing so.

This also carrys over to the hogs in the pen, and most all my grown dogs will not bother a hog in the pen, here in my yard. It is way easier to teach this on a dead hog then one still kicking & grunting, and then move on to the live hogs tied up.

[Bryant]

What's good about what you describe is that obviously the dog is crazy about a hog!

You mentioned that the pup is persistant, but the key is for YOU to be MORE persistant!

One of the most challenging things I usually deal with in young dogs is getting them to roll out after a catch or kill, and usually the more gritty the dog the harder it is.  Even when you get dogs rolling out on killed hogs, they usually still want to hang around one that is still kicking, grunting, and showing some "action!" if you tie your hogs.  Leading the dog back out, then standing between it and the hog not letting it back TIME AND TIME again is the only way I've found.  When you load one in the trailer, you may have to stop...lead the dog ahead, then wait a minute and move on.  It can be done, but patience and persistance is crucial.

Be careful with the shock collar.  You want the dog to understand that messing with a hog is NOT bad, but that his/her job there is done.

[cward]

Inever let a dog bay a tied hog or stand over me while am tieing a hog your dog will learn the differnt for example a dog learns that an ecollars  punishment  and wheen you say get out it should be over a smart dog should no the differents.in what you want him to do I tell people that an ecollar it ain't the shock that makes him stop doing bad things its the shock and you getting on to him. my reasoning for this is a dog that loves to hunt hogs for you and that it makes you proud to catch a hog will get cut sometime almost to death will heel and go right back to working hogs so if that don't stop him than nothing will it is all in your comand.some people ask me how I get my dogs to handle so well.I teach them what I want not what they want.the dogs respect me and don't have to beat them to get what I want out of them.hope I could help

[Clay]

Just my 2 cents but i would NEVER shock a dog with a ecollar when he is messing with a hog. You can break their drive by doing that. We do exactly as krystal said i just cant translate it the way she does

[pig snatcher]

I usually start doing this early on.  When I am sitting on a hog before I tie it.  Make a barrier between the pup and the hog with your hand or hat.  Tell them back in a stearn voice.  May even have to push them back.  Continue this treatment after the hog is tied. Tell them back and put yourself between them and the hog.  May have to force them back with your body. Dont give in and let them at it.

They will usually get the point at some point and loose interest after the you have the hog.  Eventually they will get to where they will ignore tied or trailored hogs.  

Some dogs you may have to be a bit more agressive with or may take more time.  Just remember you dont want it to be negative. Just have to show them it is your hog and they have to get their own.

[shawn]

good points, we've had the same problems with a couple of ours.

[justincorbell]

first i want to state that in no way am i going against anyone else's opinion in any way.  I personally have had good results with shock collars, the hardest part about a shock collar is knowing when to use it and when not to use it.........i train lab's on the side for duck hunting so i kind of have an idea about when to use one on my hog dogs. I personally only use them when we go in on a bay and our catch dog has caught...........the reasoning I use these collars at this point is because i want my dogs to know that once the catch dog has caught and i have my hands on the hog that the game is over and its time for them to move on to the next hog. i do not shock the dogs until after i have rolled the hog but before ive tied it, its a very touchy science to do it at the right time but it has worked wonders for our dogs. if you can instill in a dog that once you have rolled the hog that the game is over and its time to move on then you should nip everything else in the bud. if you have any questions as far as specifics go let me know and i will answer them thanks and happy hunting

[dog trainer]

dog collars are wonderful tools to teach any breed dog what to do, in any game. The trick is to learn how to use your collar and to teach the dog what you want in a nuetral setting (collar conditioning) if you teach him to leave it as i like to say or just to come he will respond in the field say his name and comand then nick him if no resonse goto next level and tryy again till he respones then get him on game so life is fun again. I'm not the god on dog training but i know him HA HA  im on tri-tronics pro club and have trained as a pro for years taking care of 50 plus dogs at a time. I start pups at 4 to 6 months on collar conditioning. hope this helps

[shawn]

i could see maybe shocking an older dog thats acting stupid and wont roll out, but a younger pup? i dont know, im afraid you could do more damamge than good, i maybe wrong though.

[dog trainer]

you can get a dog to listen and leave anything if you teach him in a controled condition first and in my training if you train them young they are easier to control in the hunt. it is getting the dog to trust you the collar only reinforces your training. I will be in east texas wells area soon would show how easy it is to collar condition a young or old dog.

[uglydog]

Dog Trainer, what do you do after you quit using the shock collar? I mean like after acouple weeks when you don't have the shock collar on them anymore?

Justin? so all you dogs roll off as soon as you rol the hog? Even your catch dog rolls off, or you don't use a lead in catch dog? Ever had a hog roll you off and not have any dogs to help you out?

[jdt]

a collar in the right hands is a very effective tool . on the other hand alot of dogs have been ruint with an e collar, you have to understand how a dog thinks and timing is everything, agood handler will keep it on the lowest setting possible and still get a response.

  iwould never shock a dog young or old for baying a hog, i will hit them for not doing what i say when they already know they should. working cattle on small properties around here would be impossible without that little reminder around thier neck that they have to listen.

[dog trainer]

once a dog knows the what you want lets say "leave it" is what you say to roll them off a hog it will work on anything if you train the dog to back off. if the dog reverts back then run a collar on him and remind him a time or two and he'll listen. I train all my dogs to leave it. If the dogs are worth running no matter what type bird dogs, labs or hound dogs they will have the drive too back off when you want them too and still go get the next animal.