anyone have a jagd or patterdale

[Pitman01]

just wantin to see whose running em and know what yall think about them

[machine73]

I have three jagds... But Im not a hardcore hog hunter. All furred and feathered critters are fair game to me. I think they are great varmint/versatile dogs. But I think maybe if all you run is one species of game, you would be better served with other dogs. I dont own patts so I cant speak from experience.

[Pitman01]

thanks for the reply im just getting started and tryin to fugure out whats my best option i would only be running hogs and have read that their small size helps out in the thick brush and that their prey drive is amazing, plus the feed bill is lower with a small dog compared to a full size dog.

[machine73]

All those are true. You just have to taje into account jagds are immensely hard headed. They hunt because they like it and could care less about pleasing you. All jagds, by breed standard, should be open on scent or sight. Silent jagds should be a cull by the standard. That may or may not matter to you. They are super driven and wont be happy sitting on a chain all the time. They can make your life miserable if theyre bored. Digging chewing making all sorts of god awful racket. If yiu get a pup, get it from proven lines from someone that hunts like you do. Someone in the North breeding for varmint dogs might not be selecting for traits conducive to big game hunting. And please do the breed a favor by nit producing a litter off young unproven dogs. I love the little devils. They have a low cull rate and thats only because people actively seek to improve the breed and not peddle pups off of unproven young dogs.

[Legendkiller]

i run a patterdale bmc cross and iv got 2 jacks i run as well.there mean sobs.prey drive is extreemly high.wil; take down an elephant if you let them

[SwampHunter]

I have 2 pattdales they r rough lil dudes only problem is they hunt anything an are hardheaded an don't give a crap about just chaseing hogs they would be just as happy chaseing rats haha or anything eles , that's the only problem I have with them they r just trashy but anit scared of catching a hog , an don't matte the size , I would say a Cur dog is 10 times Easyer to try to get just on hogs ,

[Pitman01]

i havent ever heard of usin jack russels but i have considered a cur dog just dont know how big they get or what bloodline and breed. i greatly appreciate everyones help with everything

[Muddogkennels]

its a reply to a comment not an ad to the public !!!
it was specifically to pitman01

[Mike]

Then send him a pm...

[M.Peitz]

The next dog I have will be a patterdale jagd or jack russel.  They in my opinion are awesome all around dogs, and would be a great woods companion.  I however, would prefer something bigger for hogs.. but I am not very knowledgable yet.  But jmho

[Muddogkennels]

Me and a friend us jagds. for pen work an wood hunting they will role out like a hound and they yelp 1 time when its 30min our fresher I let my pits go when they yelp they find the pig fast and big hogs get dizzy because they work a foot from his head in if the pig trys to run they bit down on some nuts in usually the big pigs set for the pits to catch the blood in are jagds are some of the best! I know of 2 litters 1 I have and a good friend! Proven lines at friend kennel too!

[dan]

Jagds are my breed of choice.  I hunt other dogs, but like the Jagds best. 

It seems that most Jack Russells are "accidental hog dogs".  Meaning they start out as pets, woods companions or blood trail dogs and then discover hogs.  My buddy owns a Jack Russell that is a good trail dog.  He can't run with the Jagds and isn't as rough as they are, but he finds hogs and will probably live longer than most Jagds.  I just convinced myself while writing this to try and get him for myself.  Good pup trainer and small property dog.

I've never used a Patterdale, but would try one. 

[Legendkiller]

well my jack is stupid crazy.he has no bark,100% catch.he dont care the size of the hog.

[Muddogkennels]

Jagds can catch to but if u won't him to live longer try to teach him not to catch!! I know if my jagds catch its only on the nuts until it stops!  All my jagds bay ruff my lead jagds wears a vest and cut collar in I have seen him fly over 10foot trying to catch like a bulldog !I raise them to bay!

[treeingratterrier]

All those are true. You just have to taje into account jagds are immensely hard headed. They hunt because they like it and could care less about pleasing you. All jagds, by breed standard, should be open on scent or sight. Silent jagds should be a cull by the standard. That may or may not matter to you. They are super driven and wont be happy sitting on a chain all the time. They can make your life miserable if theyre bored. Digging chewing making all sorts of god awful racket. If yiu get a pup, get it from proven lines from someone that hunts like you do. Someone in the North breeding for varmint dogs might not be selecting for traits conducive to big game hunting. And please do the breed a favor by nit producing a litter off young unproven dogs. I love the little devils. They have a low cull rate and thats only because people actively seek to improve the breed and not peddle pups off of unproven young dogs.

 

Are you sure the breed standard is correct about open on scent or sight???  I have had terriers for over 40 years and I have never seen a open terrier in rat or fox terriers.  You mite get one that yips a lil on jumped varmit but all i ever seen or had were silent trailers and only barked when game was bayed or up a tree.  I read where they had 500 Jagds in Kennels beofre WW2 breeding them up by Germans, no wonder they are so gamey, they prob shot any dog that did not hunt.  I never had a Jag and for sure dont if they are open like the standard says, are all of your dogs fully open when trailing game???  Do they trail nose down and open or how hot does a trail have to be for them to open???  Are they bawl mouth, pr chop mouth or squeaky, bell mouth or what exactly??  Got a video of one barking on trail??  I love to see that, dont know what dog they used to get them open and black??

[uglydog]

Knightstock, that is true about the jagds in their GERMAN origin and standards and I have only hunted with a  handful that were actually  silent/semi silent, most open like a hound, they squwall and squeak instead of bawl, sounds like a dog is getting ripped in half and takes some getting used to listening to the banshees in the woods

JAGDS are not even in the same category as Jack Russels or many other breeds IMO. Just because they are small and are terriers its like comparing a bluetick to Pitbull not the same temperments drives or dispositions.

Even my silent jagd terrier (the only one I have kept out of several I have had, he will still go open when he gets to running a track really fast, he just does not stay open, he does not catch every thing, and thats the reason he is still on my yard.

[machine73]

I can guarantee you Im speaking the truth. A jagdterrier is supposed to be either spurlaut or sichlaut. A dog that is neither is supposed to culled from the gene pool. Im not saying that means a lick to us. Just telling you what the breed founders wanted in a versatile hunting terrier. And if think about it in the context of where and when they originated, and juxtapose that against German hunting styles and traditions, it makes sense.

[treeingratterrier]

I can guarantee you Im speaking the truth. A jagdterrier is supposed to be either spurlaut or sichlaut. A dog that is neither is supposed to culled from the gene pool. Im not saying that means a lick to us. Just telling you what the breed founders wanted in a versatile hunting terrier. And if think about it in the context of where and when they originated, and juxtapose that against German hunting styles and traditions, it makes sense.

 


So what did they actually hunt with them in Germandy anyways??  Boar, deer, i just read a lil bit but 500 in one kennel sounds crazy to me, sounded like a Nazi deal to get them all the same color Nazi Black so they would have a National Socialist Nazi Terrier, no telling how many got killed becasue they were the wrong color not black, crazy for sure.  Wonder if they have any Black Forest Hound in them or Beagle to make them trail more and open on track??  Is the Barvian Boar dog black by any chance??  I cant remeber anymore but seems like it was and ruff coated too??

[dan]

They are used to hunt any game animal in Europe above or below ground.  This is part of what makes them so "gamey" or "trashy" to us U.S. hunters. 

Yes, they were a commissioned genetic project to produce a versatile terrier. 
Yes, black and tan are considered "the hunt" colors. 

They were culled using a clearly defined list of standards including color, conformation, and ability.  Most of the dogs in Europe are required to pass the same tests before breeding even today. 

[machine73]

The breeding program was well under way before the NSDAP ever came to power.