pink noses in cur dogs

[FLBayNSlay]

X2 I wish more people could understand this.......

It's nothing more complicated than a simple recessive gene...

Dogs don't need to be bred "tight", "inbred", or "linebred" to express a recessive gene.
Both dogs need to be carriers of the gene to express it in a litter of pups. Pink nose bred to pink nose will produce an all pink nose litter of pups.

I understand that it's a gene, just like glass eyes or leopard color, but if you only breed dog with pink noses your still doing a form of "tight" breeding. Thats what line breeding is keeping the gene or trait very close to try and repeat it. Most ppl do this based on ability but same goes for breeding for color and even if you do breed 2 pink nose dogs it doesnt mean the whole litter will be pink noses. I dont see any Rottweilers or Dobermans with pink noses. It has to be a gene mainly in the Ben bloodline somewhere.

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

Flbaynslay, please research genetics.

It is NOT a gene like glass eyes or leopard color.

It is a recessive gene.

[FLBayNSlay]

Ok I see, so any dog no matter breed with this "recessive gene" can get a pink nose? I must of misunderstood

[rdjustham]

Flbaynslay, please research genetics.

It is NOT a gene like glass eyes or leopard color.

It is a recessive gene.

Ok now im confused.  A recessive gene is a gene right?    Now the part im curious about is this.  If you began breeding cats for example (since they are more common with glass eyes and leopard color which was the example used) that dont have glass eyes or leopard colors to like dogs and began culling the dogs that came out with either glass eyes or leopard color and only bred the ones that throw dogs with out the eyes and color would you not essentialy change the genetics you were breeding and now the glass eyes and leopard color would be recessive?  Now this being the case if you only bred dogs with pink noses to the like and culled what didnt have pink noses etc. etc etc.. wouldnt you again change the genetics you were breeding, kinda like people have done over the decades to get what they wanted? 

Owl i did that with absolutely no researching of genetics so if im wrong please let me know where i should research to better understand what your sayin. 

[T-Bob Parker]

Flbaynslay, please research genetics.

It is NOT a gene like glass eyes or leopard color.

It is a recessive gene.

Please reconsider your tact, if you tell someone to "research genetics" you should validate your opinion with scientific evidence. Glass eyes and leopard coats can also be recessive genes, I have owned several catahoulas that the general public would think were underfed black labs. any trait that didn't come out in a particular dog but was present in previous parentage is currently recessive. Remember, AA Aa. If one dog carries aa and the other carries Aa or AA what happens?

[OWL Black Mouth Curs]

Ok I see, so any dog no matter breed with this "recessive gene" can get a pink nose? I must of misunderstood

Any dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed, will produce it when bred to any other dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed.

Blue eyes is a recessive trait in people.  Just because you are blue eyed doesn't make you inbred.

May be different in Florida though? I don't know.

[rdjustham]

Blue eyes is a recessive trait in people.  Just because you are blue eyed doesn't make you inbred.

May be different in Florida though? I don't know.

OK HOLD IT RIGHT THERE!  You make a retarded statement then blue eyed people in Fl are inbred??  WTF??  Im a blue eyed floridian as is my son and I TAKE SERIOUS OFFENSE!!!

[sfboarbuster]

This is how it would break down, say B is the dominant gene for black nose, and say p is recessive gene for pink noses. You would need both recessive genes from the parents to have a pink nose

Both parents carry recessive gene
Bp X Bp = BB- black nose
              Bp- black nose
              Bp- black nose
              pp- pink nose

One parent carries recessive gene
BB X Bp = BB- Black
              BB- Black   BB does not carry gene for pink nose, you cannot breed anything to him and get a pink nose
              Bp- Black  
              Bp- Black   Bp is a carrier for recessive gene

pp X Bp = Bp
              Bp     1/2 black
              pp
              pp     1/2 pink

BB X pp = Bp
              Bp
              Bp
              Bp     Whole litter would have black noses, but would all be carriers of gene
              

[sfboarbuster]

Flbaynslay, please research genetics.

It is NOT a gene like glass eyes or leopard color.

It is a recessive gene.

Ok now im confused.  A recessive gene is a gene right?   

No, he said it is not a gene LIKE glass eyes or leopard color.

[FLBayNSlay]

Flbaynslay, please research genetics.

It is NOT a gene like glass eyes or leopard color.

It is a recessive gene.

Ok now im confused.  A recessive gene is a gene right?   

No, he said it is not a gene LIKE glass eyes or leopard color.

DAMN John!!!! I knew they were teaching you something down there in Gville!!!!!  I get it now.

[FLBayNSlay]

Ok I see, so any dog no matter breed with this "recessive gene" can get a pink nose? I must of misunderstood

Any dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed, will produce it when bred to any other dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed.

Blue eyes is a recessive trait in people.  Just because you are blue eyed doesn't make you inbred.

May be different in Florida though? I don't know.

Im still not sure about that OWL, I have never seen a Rottweiler or many other breeds with pink noses. I know theres always the exception that one dog out of the litter comes out looking totally diff. I believe this recessive gene is only common in certain breeds as in Cats or BMC's. Clearly Owl is the master of genetics and a brown eyed Texan who's jealous of blue eyes and Floridians.  hahahaahah 

[sfboarbuster]

Ok I see, so any dog no matter breed with this "recessive gene" can get a pink nose? I must of misunderstood

Any dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed, will produce it when bred to any other dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed.

Blue eyes is a recessive trait in people.  Just because you are blue eyed doesn't make you inbred.

May be different in Florida though? I don't know.

Im still not sure about that OWL, I have never seen a Rottweiler or many other breeds with pink noses. I know theres always the exception that one dog out of the litter comes out looking totally diff. I believe this recessive gene is only common in certain breeds as in Cats or BMC's. Clearly Owl is the master of genetics and a brown eyed Texan who's jealous of blue eyes and Floridians.  hahahaahah 

Matt, all he is doing is making a generalization, it doesn't matter what breed, what kind of animal, what kind of plant. In genetics if two organisms that carry a recessive gene reproduce roughly 1/4th of the offspring will be double recessive and the offspring will show this in their phenotype.

[Circle C]

OWL,

    Two of your twelve posts have had rude remarks. A third and you can find somewhere else to post.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

My serious question is I can live with and justify the pink noses in a litter once every other couple decades or so but what makes their tails fall off in certain Hall of Fame Lines??? Still havn't figured out how to captain a vessel without a rudder!

[FLBayNSlay]

Ok I see, so any dog no matter breed with this "recessive gene" can get a pink nose? I must of misunderstood

Any dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed, will produce it when bred to any other dog with that particular recessive gene, regardless of breed.

Blue eyes is a recessive trait in people.  Just because you are blue eyed doesn't make you inbred.

May be different in Florida though? I don't know.

Im still not sure about that OWL, I have never seen a Rottweiler or many other breeds with pink noses. I know theres always the exception that one dog out of the litter comes out looking totally diff. I believe this recessive gene is only common in certain breeds as in Cats or BMC's. Clearly Owl is the master of genetics and a brown eyed Texan who's jealous of blue eyes and Floridians.  hahahaahah 

Matt, all he is doing is making a generalization, it doesn't matter what breed, what kind of animal, what kind of plant. In genetics if two organisms that carry a recessive gene reproduce roughly 1/4th of the offspring will be double recessive and the offspring will show this in their phenotype.

I see what you mean John it makes sense when you put it that way and Yellow I couldnt agree more lol But I do know a bobtail yella dog with a pink nose may be the best lookin dog around 

[cward]

My serious question is I can live with and justify the pink noses in a litter once every other couple decades or so but what makes their tails fall off in certain Hall of Fame Lines??? Still havn't figured out how to captain a vessel without a rudder!

I think that is called mountain cur.lol or just the foundation  breeders lie I knew didn't  have any Bob tails. But they were making  a living useing there's dogs not making  a living  selling  them.

[Bryant]

Linebreeding / Inbreeding / Tight Breeding or whatever you choose to call it NEVER CAUSES such things as pink noses, bobbed tails, rear dew claws or anything like that.  BUT...by breeding tight you are essentially narrowing the gene pool which will result in recessive traits (already present in the dogs) becoming more common in the phenotype of the progeny.

You can cull for a specific trait and over time have that particular trait evident in all offspring, however that does not change the fact that the trait is either dominant or recessive.

[FLBayNSlay]

 BUT...by breeding tight you are essentially narrowing the gene pool which will result in recessive traits (already present in the dogs) becoming more common in the phenotype of the progeny.

Bryant thats what I was thinking I just didnt know how to put it. Thank you,

[T-Bob Parker]

This is how it would break down, say B is the dominant gene for black nose, and say p is recessive gene for pink noses. You would need both recessive genes from the parents to have a pink nose

Both parents carry recessive gene
Bp X Bp = BB- black nose
              Bp- black nose
              Bp- black nose
              pp- pink nose

One parent carries recessive gene
BB X Bp = BB- Black
              BB- Black   BB does not carry gene for pink nose, you cannot breed anything to him and get a pink nose
              Bp- Black  
              Bp- Black   Bp is a carrier for recessive gene

pp X Bp = Bp
              Bp     1/2 black
              pp
              pp     1/2 pink

BB X pp = Bp
              Bp
              Bp
              Bp     Whole litter would have black noses, but would all be carriers of gene
              

Perfect form, thank you sir. Im on myphone driving and couldn't have handled that with the finesse you did.

[BobbyB]

OK guys, there has probably been more study done with labs and their colors, Black, yellow and chocolate than any other dog.

If you want to boggle your mind, read this

http://beulahland.tripod.com/coatcolor.htm

I got started reading about it when I had 2 black Labs throw 6 yellows, 1 black and 1 chocolate in a single litter. THat link will tell you how many of each color you will get when you cross a gyp with these genes with a dog that has those genes. Pretty cool stuff.

And also in yellow lab there's  a version known as a Dudley that has the recessive genes that cause pink noses and eyes. This is the way chocolate labs are, but when the recessive meets a recessive, you get Dudleys.

I am no geneticist , but I do know there are dominant genes that leave their mark either single or in pairs. White is the dominant hog hair color. I learned that in Ag and I crossed a york boar on several different colored sows and while the skin may be colored, the hair is white. Go to the county fair and look what color a York/Hamp cross is. White hair with black spots on the skin.

With recessive genes there has to be a pair for it to take over.

So if you are line breeding dogs with pink noses, it stands to reason that there will be pink nosed pups.

I have never studied up on glass eyes in dogs. It is probably interesting since you get 1 glass eye, 2 glass eyes a half glass eye. Its not by chance per say, but I guess it is by chance of what genes pair up.