pink noses in cur dogs

[sfboarbuster]

BobbyB, I believe the gene for glass eyes would be a linked gene (on the same chromosome) as the merle coloration and probably also the deaf/blind issues that go along with the double recessive merles.

[Reuben]

Linebreeding / Inbreeding / Tight Breeding or whatever you choose to call it NEVER CAUSES such things as pink noses, bobbed tails, rear dew claws or anything like that.  BUT...by breeding tight you are essentially narrowing the gene pool which will result in recessive traits (already present in the dogs) becoming more common in the phenotype of the progeny.

You can cull for a specific trait and over time have that particular trait evident in all offspring, however that does not change the fact that the trait is either dominant or recessive.

I have formed an opinion about extreme breeding like the english bull dog or a real tight bred family of dogs for a particular trait or traits. Quite a bit of these traits usually are recessive because they are not what you call the norm because they have to be bred and selected for that purpose. This is why when bred to another breed or strain that is not tight bred for those traits that you lose quite a bit of those traits because other dominant traits will pop up.I am not saying this is fact just how I have understood or percieved when it comes to breeding dogs.

I have read enough about genetics to get confused... ;Dso I try to keep it simple. Stay within a breed and strain that is somewhat tight bred and breed for perfomance and function first and let color be further down the list.

It seems to me that once the traits are set to keep them that way we have to breed within that strain or breed or all can be lost if it is a small family of dogs. A good example would be by breeding a redbone hound with a blue brindle plott hound. The redbone comes in red, maybe different shades of red but red. After it is crossed with the plott...what color would the pups be???

 I have seen quite a few red or liver colored cat curs with pink or liver colored noses as well as red dobermans.

I bred a real tight line of mtn curs and never bred for chocolate and I got 2 pups that were chocolate about 15 years apart...they had the liver or pink nose.

It is possible that when we see a black nose that it is really a dark dark pink nose even though it looks black to the average person but when it comes to genetics it is a pink nose.

I do know that a dog can appear to have a long tail but it can be missing one vertabrae and so it is really a bob tailed dog when we are talking about genetics...

[makenbeans]

I know of one lady who used to breed curs here in Fl had some with a pink nose.  The gyp she had came off of the ben line.

I was going to ask if it was associated with the Ben dogs, we had one that was off some "Ben dogs" here in town that had a pink nose.

I seen some pics of some pups on another forum off of the Scout dog that were pink nosed with the light masks.

Yeah michelle mears had some dogs that i think had ben lines too them, her Kat? gyp had a pink nose and i think scout was related to her.

I have a son from Kat and Justice I believe it was her last breeding hes pink nosed 70lb. dog Scout is my dogs older brother.

[FLBayNSlay]

This turned into a great post!!! Learn something new everyday 

[BobbyB]

On the subject of genetics, I have a natural bob tailed Brittany. Just barely a stump. I was told to never breed 2 natural bobs together. I researched it and its called the death gene. If you breed 2 natural bobs, the pups will have intestines missing, spine can stop short, just all sorts of bad crap happens. But as long as you breed a long tail and a bob tail, its all good to a point. Bonnie has trouble with loose stools and I found out even bred like she is, the stomach/intestines can be just a little off.

Her first lit8er of pups had tails that ranged from full length to half to 1/4 to a tiny bump. Genetics can be interesting and weird at the same time.

[rdjustham]

I know of one lady who used to breed curs here in Fl had some with a pink nose.  The gyp she had came off of the ben line.

I was going to ask if it was associated with the Ben dogs, we had one that was off some "Ben dogs" here in town that had a pink nose.

I seen some pics of some pups on another forum off of the Scout dog that were pink nosed with the light masks.

Yeah michelle mears had some dogs that i think had ben lines too them, her Kat? gyp had a pink nose and i think scout was related to her.

I have a son from Kat and Justice I believe it was her last breeding hes pink nosed 70lb. dog Scout is my dogs older brother.

Always heard they were good dogs.. Wouldnt mind gettin my hands on a tight bred one..  Pink nosed or not 

[Reuben]

On the subject of genetics, I have a natural bob tailed Brittany. Just barely a stump. I was told to never breed 2 natural bobs together. I researched it and its called the death gene. If you breed 2 natural bobs, the pups will have intestines missing, spine can stop short, just all sorts of bad crap happens. But as long as you breed a long tail and a bob tail, its all good to a point. Bonnie has trouble with loose stools and I found out even bred like she is, the stomach/intestines can be just a little off.

Her first lit8er of pups had tails that ranged from full length to half to 1/4 to a tiny bump. Genetics can be interesting and weird at the same time.

Bobby,

I tried to breed away from bob tails but they always were there with the mtn cur. I never kept a natural bob tailed dog if it was less than 3 inches or so. I only bred one if it was a top dog in all the other areas but the tail had to be at least a quarter length.

[sfboarbuster]

Reuben, what was the reasoning for not keeping the bobtails? Preference or what?

[Reuben]

Reuben, what was the reasoning for not keeping the bobtails? Preference or what?

SFBoarBuster,

There are 2 reasons why I stayed away from the real short bob tails. I read where some of these dogs are short bodied and long legged which makes them not run very well. It is kind of like a Hackney horse that prances. The front foot picks up before the rear foot steps down otherwise the rear foot will step on the front foot. This causes the horse to prance and this could happen with the dogs. I didn't have that problem but was aware of the possibility.

The second reason is what BobbyB was talking about. If you breed too short of tailed dogs together we can have pups that have intestinal problems as well as spinal bifida. I had some dogs with 4-6 inch natural bob tails that were fast and had lots of endurance.

[BobbyB]

Reuben, what was the reasoning for not keeping the bobtails? Preference or what?

SFBoarBuster,

There are 2 reasons why I stayed away from the real short bob tails. I read where some of these dogs are short bodied and long legged which makes them not run very well. It is kind of like a Hackney horse that prances. The front foot picks up before the rear foot steps down otherwise the rear foot will step on the front foot. This causes the horse to prance and this could happen with the dogs. I didn't have that problem but was aware of the possibility.

The second reason is what BobbyB was talking about. If you breed too short of tailed dogs together we can have pups that have intestinal problems as well as spinal bifida. I had some dogs with 4-6 inch natural bob tails that were fast and had lots of endurance.

I have been told and have read that some pups have been born to a pair of natural bobs that were not developed from the flanks back. It is supposed to be pretty disturbing to see.

[Florida Curdog]

I know of one lady who used to breed curs here in Fl had some with a pink nose.  The gyp she had came off of the ben line.

I was going to ask if it was associated with the Ben dogs, we had one that was off some "Ben dogs" here in town that had a pink nose.

I seen some pics of some pups on another forum off of the Scout dog that were pink nosed with the light masks.

Yeah michelle mears had some dogs that i think had ben lines too them, her Kat? gyp had a pink nose and i think scout was related to her.

Scout is out of Justice & Kat.  My buddy owns Scout. He's 10 years old has cancer & still catches like a bulldog. If he's baying it's a rank hog.

[cajunl]

I had a littermate brother to Justice. He had a pink nose and was as rank as a cur dog could be. He almost never barked. That line of foundation dogs were some of the roughest I have ever seen. I know Jeremy hopes they are all that rough! 

[rdjustham]

Do yall know if anyone is still breeding that line of dogs?  I heard there wernt many of them left.

[jerryg]

This is Jefe..great hog dog...he was just bred to another linebred female and she threw out 2 pink nose pups...Very excited about all the puppies.  Both are hard hunting dogs.  Jefe started of rough, but learned his lesson, how he bays loose until the catchdog catches. 

Jerryg

[Florida Curdog]

Do yall know if anyone is still breeding that line of dogs?  I heard there wernt many of them left.

Jeremy just had a litter from Scout & a gyp that's related to him. They are supposed to be bred pretty tight.

[Florida Curdog]

I had a littermate brother to Justice. He had a pink nose and was as rank as a cur dog could be. He almost never barked. That line of foundation dogs were some of the roughest I have ever seen. I know Jeremy hopes they are all that rough! 

Jeremy use to have some of the best dogs around. I know he's been ready to pull his hair out trying to replace what he had.

[Reuben]

Jeremy use to have some of the best dogs around. I know he's been ready to pull his hair out trying to replace what he had.
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I know the feeling...

[BigCutters4]

i had 2 females and a buddy of mine had male off of michelles last breeding they are both gone now but were to of the fastest agile bay dogs ive ever seen i was lucky enough to hunt with her and her dogs before she passed and kat and justice one word to describe wow

[BigCutters4]

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