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« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2011, 12:44:15 pm »

Silverton why do you say there is a difference in a rcd and a finder holder?  Maybe my thought process is off but to me they are one in the same both on ground off leash and catch the hog and I'm not really saying one out but why not.  Me and you are striving for the same dog just going about it with different breeds my base is the ridgeback and pit.  Little shorter maybe a little lighter but basically the same maybe a little better in the thick but not quite as fast in the open
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« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2011, 12:53:07 pm »

We "built" our line of curs from old timey "white" bulldog stock. Those straight bulldogs made damm fine close range wind,find,stop, and hold dogs all by themselves. Hogs or cattle. I keep one right now that will gather,bunch, and pen cattle as well as any one of my curs. Lots of leg and fairly decent lung. Running "catch when needed" dogs in the purist form in my opinion. Where I'm from, we don't go to the pasture to walk dogs on leads. Wink
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« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2011, 12:57:52 pm »

Noelle, there is a boy in Florida that Oly was speaking of that will just take his bulldogs to the woods and catch hogs regularly. Now, that isn't the only way he hunts (he has curs as well), but he does take only bulldogs real frequently. Now I know there aren't a lot of folks out there that are doing it...but there are some albeit they are few and far between.

Personally, as I get older, I think I prefer the quitters when it comes to curs. I damn sure don't want to be chasing a single hog (or the dogs chasing him) around the woods for 8 hours. Grin

Appreciate the compliments on the dogs.

Man scott those are some fine looking dogs maybe as good looking as a cd could ever be in my eyes.  My question is would you be comfortable running 1 to 3 down at a time for a couple hours at a time.  Knowing they can find them at the end will they have enough to hold a big one?  I am by all means not tring to discredit you just asking because in the end I hope to have this.  

Let me preface this by saying that I don't routinely run my bulldogs loose. In fact it is a rare occasion when I would/do. That being said, I wouldn't have a problem doing it if I raise them to do it that way. Again, my opinion, there is a difference between natural wind and conditioning. All dogs need to be conditioned if they are going to be turned loose to hunt...no matter the breed. Since I don't utilize mine as running catchdogs, my opinion is strictly from what I've seen of mine in the woods on broken bays, or those rare occasions I previously mentioned.
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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2011, 01:03:06 pm »

one of my hunting buddys was line breeding rcd's one was a boxer an the other was a lab/ab  who would find run an catch all on there own sadly the lab/ab got in a nest of ground bees an died from it an the boxers were killed by one of the line breed pups that went crazy so that was the end of that line so all we got now is pits that run lose beside us walk hunting
line breeding them??? Or just cross breeding dogs makin rcds?
Was line breeding boxers for rcd's.... The lab/ab mix was a dog from the pound that he got as a pup that truned out to be a pertty good dog he was crossed to a plott/walker/bluetick a few weeks before he died them pups are making good dogs
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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2011, 02:15:49 pm »

My mind is a learning tool Scott... Always glad to get more knowledge thanks Wink
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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2011, 02:23:35 pm »

Maybe its just style of Hunting Noelle???

I for sure wouldnt want my dogs chasing no hogs for 8 hrs and I like dogs that are short to medium range--- why try and catch a hog that is far away or running for the next state when they are plenty close enough???

I want a hog caught on the spot it is standing if possible--- I know thats IDEAL, LOL. 

This is a FINE thread, I am enjoying reading it a lot---- Thanks folks.

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« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2011, 03:41:11 pm »

We breed true rcds ......we walk hunt them ...nothing better than hearing a caught hog when they find it  Grin
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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2011, 04:17:29 pm »

I'm working on what silverton is referring to as a finder/holder. I'm using dane, pit, Campbell cur, pointer and hopefully some dogo. Looking to build a robust straight catch dog that can find a hog and hog most by themselves. Don't want them running a hog for hours. That's a hounds job. And to the folks saying pit can't do it as well as curs, u ain't seen the right dogs. I have a dog whose mother would run a hog for miles and catch it and hold it. She was a straight pit. I've included her in my breeding program. It will obviously take years to get what I want.
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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2011, 05:07:55 pm »

Most would consider my Cur dogs med range rcds, they have no bark... But these hogs out here wear nikes Grin no matter how rough the dogs are they are gonna roll on a big Barr or boar... Always been that way around here not by choice we run em 8hrs but gotta have dogs that'll do it if u wanna catch hogs most times
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« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2011, 05:34:13 pm »

My AB is as fast as any dog I have. And he will run with my 4 wheeler full out for long periods of time just because he likes to. I just have to wait til hes old enough to get in the woods and see how he develops.
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« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2011, 06:28:01 pm »


Thats a 7 month pit. dad is on the second pic and mom is the female with her in the kennal. As you can see by the pup they came out real leggy and the first litter my Male and female put out all came out to be jam up catch dogs that have run on the ground and can easily keep up with the curs. They have all found a hog on their own from the parents to the first litter. First time they ever did that I thought they were fighting cause all I heard was a big fight and the only ones were the dad and mom in the woods, ran and got there and had a big boar caught.

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« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2011, 07:39:14 pm »

Interesting thread. It strikes me odd that the guys that are trying to breed for RCD's are trying to breed for the type of dog I am trying to breed AWAY from! I guess none of us are ever 100% satisfied with the dogs we have.

I know there aren't many Fla curs out in TX and you guys may not be that familiar with them, but its hard to find a true Fla cur that WON'T catch a hog when he gets to it. My Monkey dog has more bay than my old line of dogs and I am trying to breed more bay and less catch in my dogs. As I get older it takes me longer to get to the dogs/hog and I don't want a dog that is going to be hanging off a hogs ear 1/4 mile away from me and getting wrecked before I get there. Thats how ALL my old dogs used to be. Catch one hog and be out of commission for 4-6 weeks.

When My Dixie dog came along I started her on cattle (I managed a 500 pair cow/calf operation at the time) and she had plenty of stay, but not a lot of bite which was unusual for my dogs. I switched her to hogs and she still stands as the best find and bay dog I have ever had the pleasure of hunting with.  However, her littermate brother Rock, who I turned down big money for as a cow dog, was a lead in catch dog and in 10 years of hunting never ever barked at a hog. He was 100% catch and you better have a break stick or you weren't getting him off the hog.


Most of the Fla curs are medium range, medium nosed dogs. They are not going to leave the tailgate and go a mile to find a hog, but if you put them where there are hogs, they will shine.  I wish I could send a train load of good Fla curs to you guys wanting RCD's and see what you thought of them. I bet they would fit the bill!


I still cannot hunt 3 dogs on the ground now or its a caught hog or wrecked dogs...or both. Monkey and Spur will bay a big hog together, but add a third dog and its usually a  caught hog.  I could not hunt Red and JJ together without them catching, nor could I hunt any dog with Dixie without her catching. All of my older dogs were 1-2 barks then caught hog. Thats why I am trying to cross with Monkey to get more bay.

And that may not be working. cward has a Monkey x JJ pup and last time I talked to him he said the pup was catching about everything he found and they had used him as a lead in catchdog with success. And this was an 11 month old Fla cur! My two pups from this litter are not as catchy, but I have been careful and NOT let them catch yet. There are a couple other guys that have pups from this last litter and they all seem like they are going to have more catch than bay......

Example: Dixie and an 8 month old female Fla cur.... and a soon to be CAUGHT HOG!! Grin
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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2011, 07:46:06 pm »

Interesting thread. It strikes me odd that the guys that are trying to breed for RCD's are trying to breed for the type of dog I am trying to breed AWAY from! I guess none of us are ever 100% satisfied with the dogs we have.

I know there aren't many Fla curs out in TX and you guys may not be that familiar with them, but its hard to find a true Fla cur that WON'T catch a hog when he gets to it. My Monkey dog has more bay than my old line of dogs and I am trying to breed more bay and less catch in my dogs. As I get older it takes me longer to get to the dogs/hog and I don't want a dog that is going to be hanging off a hogs ear 1/4 mile away from me and getting wrecked before I get there. Thats how ALL my old dogs used to be. Catch one hog and be out of commission for 4-6 weeks.

When My Dixie dog came along I started her on cattle (I managed a 500 pair cow/calf operation at the time) and she had plenty of stay, but not a lot of bite which was unusual for my dogs. I switched her to hogs and she still stands as the best find and bay dog I have ever had the pleasure of hunting with.  However, her littermate brother Rock, who I turned down big money for as a cow dog, was a lead in catch dog and in 10 years of hunting never ever barked at a hog. He was 100% catch and you better have a break stick or you weren't getting him off the hog.


Most of the Fla curs are medium range, medium nosed dogs. They are not going to leave the tailgate and go a mile to find a hog, but if you put them where there are hogs, they will shine.  I wish I could send a train load of good Fla curs to you guys wanting RCD's and see what you thought of them. I bet they would fit the bill!


I still cannot hunt 3 dogs on the ground now or its a caught hog or wrecked dogs...or both. Monkey and Spur will bay a big hog together, but add a third dog and its usually a  caught hog.  I could not hunt Red and JJ together without them catching, nor could I hunt any dog with Dixie without her catching. All of my older dogs were 1-2 barks then caught hog. Thats why I am trying to cross with Monkey to get more bay.

And that may not be working. cward has a Monkey x JJ pup and last time I talked to him he said the pup was catching about everything he found and they had used him as a lead in catchdog with success. And this was an 11 month old Fla cur! My two pups from this litter are not as catchy, but I have been careful and NOT let them catch yet. There are a couple other guys that have pups from this last litter and they all seem like they are going to have more catch than bay......

Sign me up for some FL curs  Grin.
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« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2011, 08:06:11 pm »

Silverton why do you say there is a difference in a rcd and a finder holder? 

This is just my take on the terms.

It seams that RCD's are most often run with a pack and the pack is finding and helping to catch, the RCD is the anchor. Not much selection for holding style. Rough curs and cur bully crosses and straight bull dogs.

Finder Holders are hunted 1 or two at a time and are finding stopping and holding on their own. Clean holding style is needed and these dogs seam to need some hairy dog, Dane, grey hound, ect... in them. The size is taller in most cases which allows for more efficient holding with little to no damage to the dog.
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« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2011, 09:23:08 pm »

The more I thought about it I figured this would be your answer.  Have another question I see what your saying about long neck.  Guess I am shooting for a finder holder and a rcd depending on the day and property.
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« Reply #75 on: July 22, 2011, 10:14:00 pm »

The more I thought about it I figured this would be your answer.  Have another question I see what your saying about long neck.  Guess I am shooting for a finder holder and a rcd depending on the day and property.

The beauty of the Finder Holder is that it can be used as a RCD with great effectiveness.

The long neck is a very important thing, in conjunction with the height, to allow the dog to always keep his feet on the ground while holding a big tall boar that is throwing his head upward. This allows the dog to work the hog and keeps him from being just dead weight that the boar can cut to ribbons while tossing the dog around because he can't keep his feet on the ground. The long neck also allows the dog to hold a toothy boar in a way that doesn't let the boars teeth get behind his elbow when the dog is holding out in front.

28" at the shoulder is my goal with a neck long enough to wear at least a 6" collar. This build allows the dog to to work in only a breast plate or collar and that lets the dog run faster, move better while holding and stay cooler.

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« Reply #76 on: July 22, 2011, 10:22:15 pm »

Let them go I have a female that looks a lot like yours but solid red she is the dog on the far right in the finally done with kennels post.  Silverton that is more dog than I'm shooting for but sure see the advantage in it you may change my mind yet but that being said we do not have the open fields like you run so idk got to think on it some more because occasionally they will be asked to run in thicker junk   
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« Reply #77 on: July 22, 2011, 11:09:06 pm »

All of us who breed dogs have got to produce dogs that will be the most effective in the country we hunt and the style we use. That's why there is no perfect type of dog or style and it is a foolish to argue any different. The goal should be to create a dog that fits "you" perfectly. Its always good to have folks to talk things out with when you are planning breeding's and weighing pros and cons.

 
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« Reply #78 on: July 22, 2011, 11:56:17 pm »

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« Reply #79 on: October 04, 2011, 11:58:10 pm »

Silverton, I tried sending u a pm but for some reason it won't go threw if u can give me a call I've been lookin for someone who runs RCD and finder holder and I have some question if u have the time and its not to much my number is 817 823-8939 thanks
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