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What kind of dogs are these pups and how old are they? Kinda sounds like they are too young or too inexperienced to honor the other dogs. What happens if you leave them in the dog box where they can hear your older hog dogs baying a hog, do they know to go to the bay up or do they just sit in the dogbox if they can not hear the hog bayed up?? Do you ever hunt horseback or muleback, if you can ride to the dogs the young dogs will learn faster that there is a hog bay at the other end even if they dont know to track or honor another dog baying yet. I think you have young dogs that dont know yet how to trail up and go find the older hog dogs that might be on a silent hog track or out of hearing, is this what you are asking??? Running a silent dog with any type of open or semi open dog will eventually make it be open or semi open. Some like it some dont, some dont understand that just because a hound is open it does not make it slow, the trick is to have fast slashing open hounds that run heads up like foxhounds, but a lot of cur people think hounds bable and scare off the hogs, yes, a cull hound babbles and does let hogs let away, but that is a cull hound in the first place. Some of the best blackmouth curs and catahoulas I ever owned or hunted with back in the day were hunted with and were started with Running walker hounds that ran heads up and were able to close the gap after striking trailing and jumping a hog. These dogs seperately would not hardly open at all but when my pard with the running walker hog dogs came they all would give mouth, most silent cur dog type hog hunters today alas never grasp the difference between a good fast heads up foxhound solid broke pack and a pack of cur dogs, of course with tons of hogs everywhere and smaller places they dont work for a lot of people. Guess it works for some and not for others.
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What kind of dogs are these pups and how old are they? Kinda sounds like they are too young or too inexperienced to honor the other dogs. What happens if you leave them in the dog box where they can hear your older hog dogs baying a hog, do they know to go to the bay up or do they just sit in the dogbox if they can not hear the hog bayed up?? Do you ever hunt horseback or muleback, if you can ride to the dogs the young dogs will learn faster that there is a hog bay at the other end even if they dont know to track or honor another dog baying yet. I think you have young dogs that dont know yet how to trail up and go find the older hog dogs that might be on a silent hog track or out of hearing, is this what you are asking??? Running a silent dog with any type of open or semi open dog will eventually make it be open or semi open. Some like it some dont, some dont understand that just because a hound is open it does not make it slow, the trick is to have fast slashing open hounds that run heads up like foxhounds, but a lot of cur people think hounds bable and scare off the hogs, yes, a cull hound babbles and does let hogs let away, but that is a cull hound in the first place. Some of the best blackmouth curs and catahoulas I ever owned or hunted with back in the day were hunted with and were started with Running walker hounds that ran heads up and were able to close the gap after striking trailing and jumping a hog. These dogs seperately would not hardly open at all but when my pard with the running walker hog dogs came they all would give mouth, most silent cur dog type hog hunters today alas never grasp the difference between a good fast heads up foxhound solid broke pack and a pack of cur dogs, of course with tons of hogs everywhere and smaller places they dont work for a lot of people. Guess it works for some and not for others.
tKnightstockerterrier, you just described how a good cur dog is supposed to hunt...cut and slash with head up to find the hot end of the tracks...with the mindset to catch the game |
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knightstock, I dont have any young pups at all, im just saying in general... my youngest dog is a yr and a half and dont need much help...the rest are 2.5-6yrs old... i was just curious about it bein beneficial to some extent as in the way reuben said it pretty much nailed it... i can see where they would think of it as a lyin dog, also can see where it would call the pup so to speak... I was basing it on reference to 6-8 month old pups in general...i dont leave young dogs in the box and send them to the bay and dont work with more than one young un at a time they are on the ground by that age and i want them out huntin and was kinda thinkin a semi open dog mite would draw them to the chase as in finding the hog with the older dog as opposed to just hearing a bark and goin to a bay which can end up as help dog material imo if he just goes to bays... I expect them to b findin hogs by a yr old not just goin to another dog bayin while they piddle around... but then again i can see it gettin tired of goin to a bay that aint nothin but a barkin dog on track and it seein it as a lyin dog... both are good points and i am just curious cuz ive always wondered and i cant help but think that it would draw them to the actual chase and before long pull the mouthy dog and let the pup go on its own... like i posted before i dont hunt bay dogs or help dogs, i oughta b able to grab any one dog and a catch dog out of my yard and go catch hogs imo, just how i like em and i think a seasoned dog is a valuabe training tool on younger pups  wantin sum input cuz ill have sum pups ready to start next yr and was tryin to open my mind to new tecniques as far as trainin pups just to try something new lol and i hunt on horses alot, mules are a touchy subject cuz i had one that chose the most inopportune times to act a fool lmao  |
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I am betting that is just a few of them too. Use to be a member here from your neck of the woods named hog tied that ran some open mouthed dogs, I think. |
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noelle
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once again... im asking about training purposes, not about opinions on open mouth dogs in general, and not about hounds or curs...which looked like what the other 4 posts were about... SEMI OPEN SOLID DOG BENEFITING 6-8MTH OLD PUP... and far as the hounds go i had some dead silent plotts that were dam good dogs, and hunt with a guy occasionally that has a open mouth cur dog...all that is just preference and an invitation to a pissin match, im concerned about the training aspect end of it |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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noelle
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lol u and me both reuben... but your info was very informing i dont wanna start an uprising between houndsmen and curdog guys lol just a serious question i always wondered about |
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i got a 4 1/2 yr old cur dog that will yip yip n yip on track.stay with 1 till he s out of gas ,long races usually if a hog wants to GO.5 1/2 yr MT curr that aint got the hot nose runs with his heaD up after the cur startedit and will stay with em till hes gassedand beyond .difference of the yippin dog he still aint figureed out his nose dont have to be stuck to the ground once hes gotter goin.just the oppositeonn the MTcur.the cur dog will rig with the best of em but once he comes off,nose to the ground.my brother usd top say HERES YIP N YAP,but they work good together.adog in my opinion is gonna be what hes gonna be you caint train em to be somthin else.yeah i raised a few young dogs with old yip an yap an none of say chit till they lookin  at a hog.yes noelle i think a yippn dog will get a pup to figure it out.some more than others |
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noelle
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thanks tuskbuster... im kinda thinkin it will too, but its something ive never tried
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I guess I forgot to say I would not train no young dogs are pups with any kind of open mouthed dog. I dont care for them but thats just me aint noting wrong with them if you like them but not for me.
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noelle
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I guess I forgot to say I would not train no young dogs are pups with any kind of open mouthed dog. I dont care for them but thats just me aint noting wrong with them if you like them but not for me.
so it will likely make the pups b open the rest of their life?? |
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Well man its just hard to say you know. I have seen it do that make a young cur dog get louded mouth . Then you got the problem of the open mouth dog on the track and your cur dogs not knowing what the hell is going on tryin to go to the hound thinking he is baying . I hunted with one open mouhted Walker dog one time and that was enuff for me . He had my dogs so cornfused they didnt know which end was up are down .
As a matter of fact he was down at the river just a whaling back and fourth on a track at the waters edge and me and Tom were high up on the bank about a 50 foot bank could not see the hound are were he was at down there and he was bawling so loud that it was echoing coming off the other side of the river and he had my dogs trying to swim the river to try and get to him they thought the echo's was him on the other side of the river baying a hog .
I finaly got my dogs back to the wheeler and I loaded them up and told the guy look if you gonna hunt that Walker dogs my dogs are going to the trailer are if you want you can put him up and we will hunt my dogs but there is no way am putting my dogs back on the ground with him.
Yeah I pissed the guy off . Needless to say we hunted his dog and some others he had never got a thing those dogs had every hog with end two miles running like hell to the other side of the county !
So my advies to you is either hunt silent type dogs with a few chirps are go to hunting open mouth dogs because running the two together the two dont mix its like gasoline and matches !
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noelle
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haha... the few chirps was kinda what i was talkin about i wouldnt consider a wide open mouth lol
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I have hunted open, silent, and semi. I think a hotter nosed dog that opens every now and then would definitely help your pups. I think that a dogs gonna do what hes gonna do. Had dogs that started out open, but learned to be silent. I also know that it would learn the pups to be more rangey, and possibly trail colder tracks.
I have started dogs that wouldn't get out of sight, but after a few times of going to and trailing with those barking dogs, "that had the meat" start Rollin on out on their own.
I have seen alot of young dogs that people thought were mouthing on track, but in fact were Babbling, cause they couldn't keep up with older dogs, and I think this causes alot of the open cur dogs. Being started too young. This is one reason I like to wait til mine are old enough or able to keep up.
I know several that run both together, and their curs are silent
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Noelle, Yea the other day a guy had four young curs out at once for some reason. My walker gyp opened and it sounded like a pack of coyotes chasing her.When I say open im not talking about a walking bawling hound. Im talking about one striking a track letting you know it,then work it out then open again when they can run on that track. But to most on here that is way too much. TexasHogDogs ive read your post in the past and think you have some good dogs. So when you you get ready to cull one of them open dogs let me know. Im into papered plotts now so that leaves out a lot of really good dogs. But one day I will have a pack to be proud of. If I live long enough and dont run out of funds or room.I just read TnHB post before i got mine posted and that is what these young dogs where doing babbling and behind.
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My buddy got a blue tick strike dog that wasn't supposed to bark on track  . Rueben nailed the lying dog comment. Well we let her out and about 50 yards that blue tick started baying we let catch dogs out catch dogs finally caught up cause we saw the blue tick come out the brush bArking on the road and my catch dogs finally just quit and ran back to the truck like they were pissed for being lied to lol. We have neverhunted with a dog that did that and it didn't take long for the other dogs to learn not to respond to a babbling hound like most of yall say  . It was cool to hear home bark for 4 miles though lol |
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noelle
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I look at the hog Bayed before I turn the catch dog loose 99% of the time so that really wouldn't b an issue... I have hunted open, silent, and semi. I think a hotter nosed dog that opens every now and then would definitely help your pups. I think that a dogs gonna do what hes gonna do. Had dogs that started out open, but learned to be silent. I also know that it would learn the pups to be more rangey, and possibly trail colder tracks.
I have started dogs that wouldn't get out of sight, but after a few times of going to and trailing with those barking dogs, "that had the meat" start Rollin on out on their own.
I have seen alot of young dogs that people thought were mouthing on track, but in fact were Babbling, cause they couldn't keep up with older dogs, and I think this causes alot of the open cur dogs. Being started too young. This is one reason I like to wait til mine are old enough or able to keep up.
I know several that run both together, and their curs are silent.
Exactly what I was thinking Thomas... I'm betting it would get them ranging out farther, get them in the race and learn to stick with it instead of lettin the pups go to a bay which alot of folks do, I don't see it making them open as well if they are outta silent dogs to begin with... Despite popular opinion I think training has a good bit to do with a dog, I don't believe it's all linebreeding that makes great dogs so I intend to experiment with a good linebred longer range type Cur pup outta good lines and just a plain Ol Cur pup with no credentials and let the high bred one go on his own and make a dog just off his breeding and minimal training and I'm gonna work and train the s&@t eater and see which makes the better dog, for my own reference. And I think the semi open hound will make the other pup excell and put the bottom and range into him that wasn't bred into him. I'm not worried about the catch dog or adult dogs Bein a factor my thoughts are just of the young dogs, yr old or less |
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noelle
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Seems as a whole open dogs are not desired by most, but from what I have gathered from a pup training perspective a semi open dog could b beneficial. Thanks for all the input guys...Lookin forward to more opinions before I decide for sure what I should do but so far been pretty helpful |
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99% of the time, a young pup (if it's going to hunt at all) will stay with the older dogs. They should be there when they strike. A young pup that leaves with the old dogs, then comes back has an automatic mark against it in my book. I've seen pups be on the ground when the older dogs strike in the distance. Pups just kept running around playing not knowing what the barking was about. If they don't know to go to a bay, why are they going to run off chasing a trail barking dog?
Heck...bulldogs have to be trained to go to a bay.
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